#indieweb 2024-02-13
2024-02-13 UTC
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[snarfed] well, as expected, it's been a day full of hate from the vocal minority on the fediverse in response to https://snarfed.org/2024-02-12_52106 🤷
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[KevinMarks] Partly ux, partly culture.
# [KevinMarks] Potch seems to be reinventing OStatus https://toot.cafe/@potch/111921390435586597
# [KevinMarks] Oops that's for #indieweb-dev
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[tantek] in contrast: every time I randomly browse some http://micro.blog thread, I don't find any flames like on Mastodon / Twitter
# [KevinMarks] The ux did drive the culture, but there was some lag as we had a better culture early on. https://www.fastcompany.com/3063060/a-brief-history-of-the-angry-social-network
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# [KevinMarks] It's the twitter experience combined with an invite model that made it seem like a club, so it attracted a lot of twitter posters and media people
# [KevinMarks] Right, a less techy crowd than mastodon.
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# [Al_Abut] I did a light bit of user research last year with friends that are scientists on bluesky to see why they ended up there as part of the exodus of science twitter
# [Al_Abut] lots of factors but basically came down to ux - they all tried mastodon and bounced like immediately
# [Al_Abut] this is probably news to no one, just thought it was interesting to hear from a user pool that’s not techies but also not the super casual Threads types
# [Al_Abut] I wonder if this fragmentation of social circles is the new normal…
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "old is new again" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "old is new again is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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mahboubine a few weeks ago I removed the www. from my domain
# mahboubine now I discovered a problem, my old webmentions are using a target with www. so if I remove the www. from my api request to the webmentions server I no longer get the old webmentions
# mahboubine and if I keep the www. I don't get new mentions
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# mahboubine is there a way to transfer webmentions sent to www. url to the new one?
# [KevinMarks] You could request both and combine them
# mahboubine [KevinMarks]: that's what I am doing now but I hoped for a cleaner solution
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[Murray] A thought on the bridging debate: could it be opt-in or else anonymised? So if I've opted in, my accounts can be paired, and my name, avatar, etc. is all synced, but if not then comments are shown as coming from, effectively, a http://Brid.gy bot account? (Obviously I have no idea what the behind-the-scenes technical toll might be or if that's even possible)
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# [Joel_Auterson] sorry you're having such a bad time with this [snarfed]++, unfortunately fedi people can be some of the most irritating on the web. doubly frustrating that the anger seems to be coming from a deeply uninformed position. hope you're all good and can step away from it for a bit if need be
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# [tantek] I dare you to reply with https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/166
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# [benatwork] ^ They seem to have deleted the post
# [benatwork] But upshot was that they're spending another 6 months experimenting with Mastodon and will look at how they can publish from BBC properties using ActivityPub
# [KevinMarks] oh, it's still up for me, but maybe my BBC cert is working
# [benatwork] oh weird
# [benatwork] it's flitting back and forth
# [benatwork] was a 404 a moment ago
# [benatwork] I wonder if it just got Slashdotted by the Mastodon deluge (ActivityPunted?)
# [benatwork] anyway, cool, will republish my bookmarks 😬
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# [Joe_Crawford] My model of the world was formed when people *wanted* their phone number in the white pages so they could be reached. But even then there were people who wanted to be "unlisted" - I believe in the US they paid for that part of their phone service. It is nontrivial to accommodate both (legitimate) needs in any shared system.
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# [KevinMarks] well, they are if you append '/embed'
# [tantek] [manton] there's the persistent web, the thing that lasts over time, that search engines see and index, that Internet Archive archives, and then there's the https API endpoints on web servers "web", the thing that I've started calling the ephemeral web, the set of things that are here today, briefly, gone tomorrow
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[aciccarello] Noticed a "sign in required" post on bluesky that showed it's content with JS disabled. Seems like a bug.
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# [aciccarello] But even in the model that Mastodon posts are not part of the web, they still include metadata for link previews which breaks that "not public" piece.
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# [KevinMarks] I like the 'instead of fediverse, call it the archipelago' bit of this https://nora.codes/post/the-fediverse-is-already-dead/
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# buj I see this is a yet another thing I can add to my nonexistent website
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# [Joel_Auterson] xitter certainly is
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# aaron ^on the topic of it being easier/more intuitive for non-techies to establish their own internet presence, curious what the community thinks of what we've been hacking on: https://getrealnice.com
# Loqi aaron: sl007 left you a message on 2017-07-10 at 7:45pm UTC: https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund
# aaron hah, I do! https://aaroncohn.com
# aaron will take it! ;)
# [tantek] I see the screenshot of your personal site on getrealnice — did you use getrealnice to start/setup http://aaroncohn.com?
# aaron yep, entirely built on realnice. whole goal is to make it easier for anyone to have a simple little home on the internet on theirname [dot] com
# aaron we thought there needed to be something that felt like google docs, and also let you connect to a custom domain without you paying $$
# Loqi use what you make is an IndieWeb principle that encourages creators to use the applications, tools, libraries, code, designs, documentation that they create, in particular on their personal website, and the counterpart of the make what you need principle https://indieweb.org/use_what_you_make
# [aciccarello] Wow, a one time purchase option is rare these days
# [aciccarello] Also love the free starter option with a domain!
# [aciccarello] realnice++
# [aciccarello] I would love if this get more people into having their own page online.
# [aciccarello] It looks like there's a linkedin import? That seems smart.
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# aaron Gifting everyone a free domain is a big bet to get people over the hump. We used to recommend Google Domains a lot to people who had never bought a domain before, but since they got sold to Squarespace, it's been a bummer.
# aaron FWIW, it's really hard to find a domain registrar to recommend to less-technical folks who are intimidated by the whole thing. Namecheap and Cloudflare tend to be a little too complicated :/ Porkbun is decent too, but not a lot of folks have heard of them so I think it scares them off
# aaron Even though we give folks (even users who don't pay us a dime) a free domain for the first year with IONOS, that's still where we see the biggest dropoff in users giving up on making a personal site
# aaron re: the linkedin import, that's in beta, but pretty magic when it works 🪄 the other big barrier for a lot of folks spinning up an indie internet presence is not so much the technical stuff, but rather it's writing about themselves. the AI stuff doesn't feel quite human yet, but pulling picture/headline/summary from linkedin is a good starting point. if anyone wants to play with it, it's https://getrealnice.com/10secondsite and the pw: is sofast
# [aciccarello] Also welcome to California aaron. We've got a few people in Southern California. I'm in Oceanside.
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# [aciccarello] I had considered using LinkedIn as the source data for my website's resume page but their API seemed more complicated than I wanted to deal with.
# aaron oh yeah, the LinkedIn API is hot garbage (by design). they *really* don't want anyone scraping it. we get around it by using the proxycurl API, which is not perfect but not bad
# [aciccarello] I don't need to get anymore technical than that
# [aciccarello] But yeah, not really usable
# aaron haha that's fair! fun fact, realnice is 98% built on no-code via https://bubble.io
# [aciccarello] Woah, that's crazy
# [aciccarello] I imagine there will be a lot more of those tools in the next decade
# aaron we hope so. I think Squarespace, Wix, and Wordpress were amazing when they launched for getting more people on the internet. but over time they just got more features and more complexity. so it crowds out a lot of people.
# aaron we also took a ton of inspo from wedding website builders like zola and theknot. weddings are the only time when friends of mine who ordinarily would *never* be able to put a website on the internet actually do it. and I'd argue it's because those are "single-purpose" website builders, whereas Squarespace, Wix, Wordpress, and the like are "general purpose" site builders. the single-purpose ones are 10x easier.
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# [Joe_Crawford] Great tool aaron - welcome - also howdy from California (San Diego in my case) - though I have lived off and on in L.A. (and Orange and Ventura counties) many times and still love many things Los Angeles.
# [KevinMarks] Did you look at omg.lol?
# [aciccarello] Oh yeah, I forgot they had profile pages https://foobar.omg.lol/
# [KevinMarks] They started with profile pages and have spawned a lot since
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gRegor [manton]++ for https://www.manton.org/2024/02/13/introducing-notes-in.html
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[campegg] gRegor, I switch from Hover to Porkbun after reading Nick's piece and have been pretty happy with it. Although the lower pricing has me considering a few more domain purchases (the fact that a few dollars made me reconsider should be signal enough that I don't really need them, but whatever)
# gRegor Anyone with opinions/recommendations on Porkbun or others, feel free to update: https://indieweb.org/personal-domain#Opinions/Recommendations
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# aaron I like omg.lol ! they're vibes are on point too.
# aaron and yes, the domain struggle is *so* real. we've also been kinda recommending https://spaceship.com — made by Namecheap, but with not-awful UX. they're the new cool kid on the domain block
# [KevinMarks] Hover used to offer a domain reg api, did that go away?
# Loqi Hover is a domain registrar with good ux and customer service https://indieweb.org/Hover