#indieweb 2024-02-20

2024-02-20 UTC
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starrwulfe *is wondering what a better layout and site map would be for his blog 🤔*
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johntheweb hello
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tyil ohio
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johntheweb what are some interesting things to write about on your personal website?
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johntheweb I imagine a website you could just go through very conveniently, very fast, like social media, but for a personal website, or like a hub of personal websites, i can go through, spread over different networks, does something like that exist?
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tyil Write about things you think is interesting, its your personal website
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johntheweb So there is this decentralisation element, while maintaining speed of scrolling, like in some app, that would be cool
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darylsun James' post could answer your question: https://jamesg.blog/2024/02/19/personal-website-ideas/
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Loqi [preview] 100 things you can do on your personal website
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capjamesg 😊
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jeremycherfas There are also things like social readers that allow you to follow personal blogs and respond to them on your own website.
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jeremycherfas what are social-readers
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Loqi A social reader is a modern interactive reader that allows you to directly respond to posts (with a like, comment, etc) right there inline with posts as you read them (as people do in social media), in contrast to legacy feed readers which were one-way read-only experiences and provided no mechanisms to interact with or respond to posts https://indieweb.org/social_readers
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jeremycherfas ^^^
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bonzz /list
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dostoynikov Here is my personal blog https://dostoynikov.bearblog.dev/
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dostoynikov I am planning to change the whole design and getting my own full domain soon. Also planning to post more. I'm trying to get some discipline 🙂
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IWDiscord <d​ostoynikov>
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[keithjgrant] does anybody post both shares AND bookmarks, or do most folks do just one? I'm curious how everyone distinguish the two. They feel largely redundant to me
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aaronpk what is a share?
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Loqi share is a watered down verb that's used on the "social web" (and other platforms like Google's Android) to mean pretty much any action https://indieweb.org/share
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aaronpk i actually have no idea what you mean by posting a share
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[keithjgrant] I think I mean a repost
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aaronpk oh hmm, well i do have separate bookmarks and reposts for sure
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[keithjgrant] in particular, I'm looking at this post: https://adactio.com/journal/20888. Jeremy lists mastodon posts as "shares"
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[keithjgrant] but my bookmark ended of that post ended up in it's own category
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aaronpk hm, if i look through that list it seems like those are mastodon reposts
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aaronpk i don't know why you'd call reposts/retoots/whatever "shares" but maybe because retoot sounds silly
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aaronpk but yeah it looks like if someone is on mastodon and clicks repost, that shows up in his "shares" list
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[keithjgrant] So I guess my real question is, which post type most closely resembles that same intention? The term "bookmark" to me more implies I'm marking it for my own personal use, and less a "here's something interesting" followers might want to see
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aaronpk there are actually two separate things in this particular case, but i think he's showing them the same
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aaronpk one is the note he posted, https://adactio.com/notes/20889 which has a bunch of likes/reposts/comments on his mastodon syndicated copy
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aaronpk that note included a link to a blog post
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aaronpk bridgy sends webmentions for likes/reposts of the note to both the note and the article, because the mastodon reposts do include a link to the article
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aaronpk so the mastodon interactions are not reposts of the article itself, so maybe you could call those "shares", tho i think we use the term "mention" more often
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[tantek] I think you have to start with asking *why* you want to post "something interesting" followers might want to see
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[tantek] And tbh the dynamics around those motivations can (sometimes, often) be counterproductive, and why for example http://micro.blog doesn't have a retweet button
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[tantek] "http://Micro.blog doesn’t have boosts or retweets. If you want to re-post something, you can link to it or add a block quote." from https://help.micro.blog/t/whats-the-difference-between-micro-blog-and-mastodon/1395
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[tantek] Also on the broader topic of linkblogging (of which bookmarks are a subset), [manton] wrote a good post here (old but still quite on point) https://www.manton.org/2016/03/03/the-evolution-of.html
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[tantek] capjamesg, your post about 100 things to do your personal site are a refreshing reminder and encouragement to be creative on your personal site, and not just regurgitate (repost) someone else's post
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[tantek] every mention you have of the word "share" is in the context of something you create, even "just" a list of other things, which presumably you've still implicitly curated, involves conscious thinking & decisions
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capjamesg I put a lot of thought into the list.
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rrix good UGT indiewebbers,,, i wasn't planning on doing a hard-cutover on it quite yet but i accidentally forced myself to launch the new version of my org-mode document/site engine last week, the latest iteration past a static site generator i demonstrated at an SF HWC what feels like ages ago -> https://engine.arcology.garden/
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capjamesg Oooh!
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capjamesg Neat!
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capjamesg I love the colour scheme on that site, too!
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capjamesg rrix++
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Loqi rrix has 1 karma over the last year
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rrix thanks :)
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rrix this iteration is to eventually be packaged up for others to use, but it's still "literate programming" with the python&rust driving the site situated within well-documented org-mode files that it can self-host and others can read to understand or crib from https://engine.arcology.garden/webserver
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Loqi hey rrix: it seems like this conversation is more appropriate for #indieweb-dev (site generator, static site generator, Python)
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rrix fair
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[tantek] welcome back rrix++
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Loqi rrix has 2 karma over the last year
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rrix thx tantek
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rrix been trying to idle less places less and participate more but yanno
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rrix my Own Site has been taking my focus ;)
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[tantek] that's a good focus
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[aciccarello] I recently started working on backfilling my Tweets from the archive I downloaded a year ago. It's brought up some interesting questions about what I want to have on my site and how to show it.
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[aciccarello] For example, I'm thinking I won't include any retweets or likes. I don't think I care enough about that content to add it.
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[aciccarello] But figuring out how I want to handle quote tweets will require some thought.
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[tantek] aciccarello, appreciate the thought process
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[tantek] what is backfill
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Loqi backfill is the action of importing all your past posts, typically from a social media silo, into your own site https://indieweb.org/backfill
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[tantek] ^ worth adding to a Brainstorming section (create) there to make that discernment
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[aciccarello] I was thinking of documenting on the Twitter wiki page since it's pretty silo specific
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[tantek] that works too, "How to backfill"
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Participating in Delete Your Drafts Day" https://jeremyfelt.com/2024/02/20/participating-in-delete-your-drafts-day/
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[tantek] lol oh no
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gRegor I feel attacked XD
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gRegor 101th thing to do with your personal website: collect drafts
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gRegor or 101st. whatever. :)
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lazcorp I finally have some new functionality/feature on my site so that I'm ready for capjamesg to ask in tomorrow's HWC Europe
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lazcorp I was starting to get worried I'd have to admit I hadn't done anything!
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to2ds 101th is a draft of 101st? :)
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to2ds Drafts don't seem to take up much space. Should they be kept for posterity?
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to2ds lazcorp - The personal website bar has been raised since yesterday with 100 things todo list now :)
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capjamesg lazcorp I'm excited 😄
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lazcorp to2ds - I know, I just replied to the blogpost by capjamesg with a suggestion for the list (and a hint as to what I've just done)
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capjamesg Never worry about not doing something with your site, though! There have been many weeks where I have done nothing on my website. Last year, I took a ~1 month break from doing anything. I have taken longer breaks in the past, too.
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lazcorp It's something I started on weeks ago, so tomorrow's HWC gave me the impetus to finish it
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capjamesg Oooh! Very nice!
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capjamesg I'm not going to look until you demo it.
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to2ds capjamesg - 1 month is an eternity 😱
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capjamesg feels like it's Christmas.
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capjamesg lazcorp++ for making something cool!
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Loqi lazcorp has 3 karma over the last year
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to2ds lazcorp - Ah! Had to go check it out.
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[Joe_Crawford] On my calendar I have a recurring event (every 23 days) "Revisit Blog Drafts" - long enough to not feel too bad about declaring bankruptcy on a would-be post.
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to2ds [Joe_Crawford] - Might try the 23 days approach too.
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gRegor I don't have a great setup for drafts on my site currently, so been experimenting with jotting notes down in Obsidian more. Seems to work slightly better for me so far.
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[tantek] I dislike the bankruptcy metaphor. Too bank-centric
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to2ds I find the digital garden approach appealing with respect to drafts.
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[tantek] yes very much so
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[Joe_Crawford] If the drafts are a sort of technical debt maybe it's Technical Debt Forgiveness.
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to2ds Hopefully CMSs won't start assessing a monthly fee for overdrafts 😄
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to2ds Was waiting for Loqi to zing me on CMSs.
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[Joe_Crawford] One thing Tantek brings up periodically is sparking joy - and an excess of drafts undone definitely can induce feelings of failure that are the opposite of joy.
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[Joe_Crawford] what is joy
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Loqi joy is a good motivator and focus for making things for your own website, and is something the IndieWeb community encourages people to prioritize and pursue with their IndieWeb projects, and deprioritize (or automate) things that do not bring them joy https://indieweb.org/joy