#indieweb 2024-02-19

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[tantek] starrwulfe++ +1000 that is an amazing, and brilliant, and incredibly well-written post. Thank you for writing it. Best write up of the recent dust up that I've seen. And I certainly wasn't expecting to be quoted 🙈
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[tantek] This needs to be IndieNewsed: https://starrwulfe.xyz/b/1yyG
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capjamesg starrwulfe++
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capjamesg Brilliant post.
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capjamesg Absolutely brilliant.
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "[Article] On the subject of Connecting Federated Social Media Networks – STARRWULFE" https://starrwulfe.xyz/2024/02/on-the-subject-of-connecting-federated-social-media-networks/ (from https://aaronparecki.com/2024/02/18/7/)
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aaronpk starrwulfe++
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[hello092] Morning from the UK!
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[hello092] Not sure whether this is the right place to post this but I noticed that validation tools linked to from the wiki are down (502 errors).
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[hello092] https://indieweb.org/tools
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[hello092] http://IndieWebify.Me and some of the .rocks sites are all throwing the same error.
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[hello092] I’m guessing that someone here might own those!
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capjamesg Morning!
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Loqi good morning!
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capjamesg aaronpk will be able to help.
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capjamesg New blog post: https://jamesg.blog/2024/02/19/personal-website-ideas/
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Loqi [preview] 100 things you can do on your personal website
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "100 things you can do on your personal website" https://jamesg.blog/2024/02/19/personal-website-ideas/
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capjamesg [snarfed] Bridging is mentioned in the This Week in Tech podcast at ~40:00: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqAMbPQ6hW4
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capjamesg I haven't listened to it all yet but thought I'd share here before I forget.
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drn4007 Just came across your blog post on Hacker News James. That's pretty cool. I've saved the list too, nice to have a reference of ideas to try out
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capjamesg Why thank you!
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capjamesg I may add more ideas as time goes by, too!
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benji aaronpk related to the above error, indielogin is also returning 502
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starrwulfe Oh wow, thanks Tantek, AaronPK, and capjamesg[d]! (Big self-esteem boost while I'm stuck here at work on a holiday!)
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[qubyte] [capjamesg] number 14 (image map of something like a desktop) is a great idea. I’ve been looking for an excuse to use a `<map>` longer than I can remember. Reminds me of the old web, and perhaps also point and click adventures.
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capjamesg [qubyte] Also see https://jamesg.blog/2024/02/14/clickable-bookshelves/.
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capjamesg It isn't using an image map, but it will be at some point.
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[tantek] Bit more for #indieweb-dev: I wish we could fix the map tag to scale and work with responsive styling and images (to #indieweb-dev for follow up)
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[qubyte] Yeah, it has its problems (which I suppose is why we don’t really see it that much anymore).
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[tantek] capjamesg I like that nearly all of your "things you can do" are user centric. Only a small handful of dev-only or dev-centered things.
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Social, I love you, but you’re bringing me down" https://werd.io/2024/social-i-love-you-but-youre-bringing-me-down
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[Joe_Crawford] The map element is hidebound to a predetermined pixel width. It doesn't accommodate alternate units to start with. Add to that you can display an image in a container and have parts of it hidden in an overflow none context, you can have height and width attributes set but also override them, including dynamically, with CSS, and you can explicitly set object-fit now, hiding parts of the image. If the part of the image with the map is
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[Joe_Crawford] hidden, should the area element get removed from the tabbing context? And that's just brainstorming. Would be great to get a modernized map element!
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[tantek] [benatwork] real talk: this feels like the nth time you've pulled away from or quit various "social media". Would be interested in seeing a retrospective about that *cycle* and perhaps some insights into why it keeps repeating
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[tantek] [Joe_Crawford] indeed (and also why I asked parenthetically for to #indieweb-dev for follow-up 🙂 )
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[benatwork] [tantek] Yep. I think the bottom line is that it’s a real addiction for me
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[tantek] You're very much not alone in this, which is why I brought it up
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[benatwork] Yep
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[tantek] Step 1 is admitting to the cycle IMO
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[tantek] if your goal is to break the cycle
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[benatwork] I think this is very good feedback. Thank you.
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[Joe_Crawford] I keep thinking of 90s Gibson books. I think it's in Virtual Light that Chevette Washington's mom (part of a religion there they believe TV is god) goes on a "Media Fast." I think the way we give kids "no screens" days or decide to spend days offline means that it's sensible to consider whether a formalized retreat from social media is something everyone ought to consider. In 12-step groups they talk about taking a continuous "personal
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[Joe_Crawford] inventory" about ones own behavior. I think considering daily whether the phone, a particular app, a particular notification, social media setting is still working for you is worth doing. I know I do it. It's vexing because the big silos seem to adjust those notification settings without much regard for prior user decisions. (and... uh, forgive the spew of unsolicited response, please)
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[tantek] [benatwork] 🙏
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to2ds Finding balance with multiple social accounts can be tough. What works for me is zero accounts or less 😄
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gRegor less? Is that like creating accounts for other people? :)
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gRegor More like deleting accounts of other people I guess, haha
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to2ds Still working out the math at the moment 😄
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to2ds That's why IndieWeb is so appealing--there's no pressure to perform.
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to2ds capjamesg++ - Great post on the 100 things to do.
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capjamesg Why thank you!
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[tantek] to2ds no pressure to perform? clearly I need to incorporate capjamesg's 100 things to do on/for your personal site into IndieMark and make a ranked grading system of it 🙃
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to2ds starrwulfe++ - Just scrolled and found the connecting networks article. Another great post.
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starrwulfe Thanks To2ds!
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to2ds [tantek] - 😄 - Well maybe just a little pressure.
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gRegor to2ds++ for the literal hamburger menu on https://toddpresta.com/ :D
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to2ds gRegor - Thank you. Hoped it would lend a little levity the general undertone of cynical humor 😄
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mahboubine what do you guys think of the arguments made in this article?
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mahboubine re https://brainbaking.com/post/2023/05/why-i-retired-my-webmention-server/
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[tantek] mahboubine, a few things. Your site should be setup to bring you joy. If something is not bringing you joy, it's ok to leave it out. Second, maintaining Webmentions within WordPress is an extra hassle, even for folks familiar with WordPress, so if displaying Webmentions / cross-site interactions are a goal, then choose something other than WordPress, unless tinkering with WordPress is a hobby that brings you joy.
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[tantek] also wm != pingback != bridgy != wmio etc. you can have "plain" webmentions without any of the rest of those, and using those as an excuse to get rid of webmentions shows a lack of understanding of webmentions
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gRegor Obligatory https://martymcgui.re/2020/07/15/what-we-talk-about-when-were-talking-about-webmentions/
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capjamesg Experimenting with some multimedia HTML: https://capjamesg.github.io/vibes/
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capjamesg (Play the song then click on the things in the image)
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