#indieweb 2024-06-12
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[KevinMarks] This is interesting. It also makes me remember hypercard https://maggieappleton.com/home-cooked-software
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thepaperpilot Howdy! I've recently gotten into the indie web, and was going through the design process of how to update my personal website to support the various building blocks IndieWeb proposes. While doing so, I read this article arguing, amongst other things, that when "amplifying" something someone else wrote (e.g. replying with a like), you should also
# thepaperpilot rehost said content as a redundancy and help protect it from becoming a dead link. https://aramzs.xyz/essays/the-internet-is-a-series-of-webs/ Well, I was thinking that that's an interesting idea but I don't like the idea of trusting the rehosts not to have tampered with the content. In general, I think it might be a good idea to have a standard in
# thepaperpilot place for how someone might sign the content on their page, so it can be reproduced elsewhere (silos, other personal websites, etc.) but still have it verifiably have come from the author it said it did. This shouldn't be too hard - just send a signature, the algorithm to use, and the public key associated with the author. I was hoping to write up
# thepaperpilot a formal proposal to the indieWeb of this idea. I was wondering what the first step would be for that. Also, does this sound like a good idea to y'all?
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[jeremycherfas] I think a simpler alternative would be to ensure that you place a copy of the article in archive . org
# [jeremycherfas] And contribute if you are able.
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capjamesg[d] I don't like the idea of someone else hosting my content.
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# [KevinMarks] What about other caches like http://archive.is or Pinboard? You could potentially use C2PA to validate it as unchanged or point back to the original
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# [Joe_Crawford] I came across a service recently I’d not heard of that does this … https://perma.cc … the pitch: _Over 50% of cited links in Supreme Court opinions no longer point to the intended page. Roughly 70% of cited links in academic legal journals and 20% of all science, technology and medicine articles suffer from link rot._
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# capjamesg[d] Harvard’s Library Innovation Lab started perma.cc.
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# thepaperpilot I think relying on the archive raises concerns about centralizing too much. That's still only a single redundancy
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# thepaperpilot It was a long article, if anyone just wants to read the arguments for rehosting content, its this section: https://aramzs.xyz/essays/the-internet-is-a-series-of-webs/#replicate
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petermolnar yeah, but rehosting content is not simple, unless you have a clear allowance to do so, eg, everything is unlicence, CC-something, and so on.
# petermolnar it's essentially the same issue as reposting
# petermolnar (plus one of the nice ideas behind IPFS that never really took off)
# petermolnar (and that other thing, what was it that used "dat" as a format?)
# petermolnar you're not being useful this time, Loqi
# petermolnar what is dat
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Loqi Dat was a protocol for transferring files peer-to-peer, renamed to Hypercore protocol in 2020 https://indieweb.org/Dat
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# thepaperpilot Ah, sorry about that. Also my irc setup is a bit cursed and it seems my responses didn't end up making their way here anyways. I'm gonna write up a doc on the motivations I have for this proposal and continue the discussion in -dev
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# petermolnar there's nothing in the shared link segment about -dev. It's about longevity.
# petermolnar what is longevity
# Loqi Longevity is the goal of keeping your data as future-friendly and future-proof as possible; it is one of the indieweb principles https://indieweb.org/longevity
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[tantek] like in my magical ideal for making and optionally publishing content, I would be able to create content on any of my own devices, which I've previously "paired" with each other into a personal "constellation" of devices, and have the content locally sync (without needing some "cloud" or even any internet service).
# [tantek] eventually when one of my devices connects to the internet, have it sync to my primary domain, and thus have anything I had previously written and explicitly "published" (clicking a "Publish" button or whatever on whatever device I happen to have with me), actually show up on an internet server that others can follow, get updates from etc.
# thepaperpilot Have you heard of syncthing? It's a file syncing program that uses the devices as a constellation like you described - no cloud
# thepaperpilot And yeah, totally agree with that. I have a logseq vault I sync using a self hosted service, that I recently added the ability to publish individual pages onto my static website. I really enjoy having everything in one place, and making something public is no extra effort
# Loqi Syncthing is open source software to synchronize files across computers https://indieweb.org/Syncthing
# thepaperpilot Yes it does
# thepaperpilot Android, at least
# thepaperpilot Looks like it supports windows, Mac, Linux, and Android. iOS being the notable exclusion
# thepaperpilot Ah, right. I remember looking into this before. They didn't make an iOS app because iOS doesn't support background syncing
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# capjamesg[d] Homebrew Website Club Europe starts in an hour! Join us to talk about what you have been doing on your websites recently!
# capjamesg[d] Sounds good!
# capjamesg[d] I hope your meetings go well!
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# capjamesg[d] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrie_Markoff passed away earlier this month (blogger, oldest living man in the United States).
# [Joe_Crawford] https://morriemarkoff.wordpress.com
# Loqi health posts include existing posts like exercise, drink, food, sleep, as well as measurements of health related information, and all the privacy / ownership concerns therein https://indieweb.org/Health
# [tantek] can we put this in /health or /longevity? The real secret to longevity: keep on actively blogging 😂
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# Loqi Homebrew Website Club Europe/London is starting soon! Join us! https://events.indieweb.org/AkxvCbl5ug9o
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# petermolnar something to keep the mind occupied is just as important as physical exercise - blogging is quite a good option.
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# jimwins A good summary of today's happenings around new social-media startup, Maven, that blew up on the Fediverse today. https://wedistribute.org/2024/06/maven-mastodon-posts/
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