#indieweb 2024-06-13

2024-06-13 UTC
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[aciccarello] I'm confused how they got DMs in there. I know they aren't fully private but shouldn't be available to other servers
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jimwins I don't know, but I long ago got the impression that mechanism for DMs in Mastodon/ActivityPub is so janky that I don't really trust it to begin with.
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[tantek] aramzs++ good post! https://aramzs.xyz/essays/the-internet-is-a-series-of-webs/
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capjamesg[d] I made an editor based on what we discussed in HWC last night.
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capjamesg[d] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866577279223595022/1250752720357294170/email.png?ex=666c15be&is=666ac43e&hm=743ba07575d511bf1ba935085b20f0bb6819fc9c6d401e026bb36059ea9f7a36&
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capjamesg[d] I'm not sure whether I will use this, but I sure had fun making it!
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[tantek] this is beautiful capjamesg++
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[tantek] on the theme of simple paper-like designs, I did very much like this page: http://nostalgia.esmartkid.com/nmpassport.html
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[Joe_Crawford] capjamesg++ yes, great stuff!
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drizzt09 Does someone have a good guide to setup user chat authentication in owncast?
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drizzt09 I have owncast setup and has authentication option. I add my own https site (would like that to default for users). But then I set user pass and it fails auth. Clearly missing something and owncast site just says it's and indieauth server but doesn't give any instructions how to use it
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drizzt09 [edit] I have owncast setup and has authentication option. I add my own https site (would like that to default for users). But then I set user pass and it fails auth. Clearly missing something and owncast site just says it's an indieauth server but doesn't give any instructions how to use it
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aaronpk the indieauth option for owncast is only for chat, not for logging in to owncast itself
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jimwins Fastly introduced a free tier today, which may be good for indieweb folks who want a basic CDN but don't want to be involved with Cloudflare. https://www.fastly.com/pricing
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drizzt09 That's all I want it for. Chat. Right now they get random usernames. They can change the username. But can not use the authenticate option
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aaronpk there are two chat authentication options available: https://owncast.online/docs/chat/chat-authentication/
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aaronpk i'm not sure what you mean because "then I set user pass and it fails" suggests you're mixing up chat authentication with admin login
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drizzt09 When I click the user box above chat I get option to change name or authenticate. Authenticate brings up a url field. I enter my own owncast site into the field. It then pops a user/pass field.
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aaronpk are you logged in to your owncast site?
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drizzt09 I logged into the admin panel. I then joined the stream chat myself from the main site. I got a random chat nine like everyone else does. I changed the name to my name.
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drizzt09 I used the authentication option and it auto logged in as my admin user and linked my chat user to my admin user.
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drizzt09 I then opened the stream site incognito. Got another random name. Changed name to my middle name. Tried authentication to my site and did not use admin but I don't know what to use.
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drizzt09 [edit] I logged into the admin panel. I then joined the stream chat myself from the main site. I got a random chat nsme like everyone else does. I changed the name to my name.
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drizzt09 I used the authentication option and it auto logged in as my admin user and linked my chat user to my admin user.
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drizzt09 I then opened the stream site incognito. Got another random name. Changed name to my middle name. Tried authentication to my site and did not use admin but I don't know what to use.
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aaronpk that makes sense, you need to be logged in to your owncast in order to use your owncast to log in to another
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aaronpk so in an incognito window you would see the popup asking you to log in to your site
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drizzt09 I don't want to log into another. I want my viewers to be able to register and authenticate their own users.
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drizzt09 I have another user that it random name. Changed to his name. I see him in admin and I set mod to him. He doesn't have mod capabilities. I assumed this is because he also is not authenticating.
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aaronpk they will need an account somewhere in order to authenticate, that account could be their own owncast server or their website that supports indieauth
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drizzt09 Ya none of my viewers will have thag
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drizzt09 [edit] Ya none of my viewers will have that
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aaronpk then i'm not sure how you expect them to authenticate
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drizzt09 Well I thought the purpose of the authentication option was to create an authentication. Seems like a weird design.
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dosmaen I just verify myself using my mastodon account
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dosmaen It sends you a code in a private toot to verify that it's you and it works ok
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aaronpk oh right also mastodon
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drizzt09 Are there other services that can be used beside mastadon to authenticate against?
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aaronpk the purpose of the authentication option is to allow a visitor to prove they are the same person when they come back to the site later
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aaronpk gabe didn't want to create a whole user management system inside owncast, which is why there are no local accounts for visitors
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drizzt09 Which is what I want. But none of my users have their own indieauth, owncast or mastadon accounts
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drizzt09 These are all facebook group members coming over.
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drizzt09 Can they authenticate against facebook?
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aaronpk no, just indieauth/mastodon/fediverse/owncast
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dosmaen What kind of stuff do you typically stream?
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aaronpk you can read more about the design goals on the github https://github.com/owncast/owncast/discussions/440
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drizzt09 dosmaen: What does this matter?
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aaronpk logging in with facebook or anything similar would require you as the owncast instance operator to go register for API keys at facebook/etc which also isn't practical which is why he doesn't want to add that
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dosmaen Just curious, but you're right it's offtopic. Please ignore.
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aaronpk anyway you might have better luck getting owncast support from here: https://github.com/owncast/owncast/discussions
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drizzt09 Ok so can I hide the authentication option as it's just gonna confuse every single viewer. And how do I mod a member? As I mentioned a user was middle but he doesn't have the options.
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aaronpk i don't know, you should probably read the owncast docs or ask over in their github
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drizzt09 aaronpk: Wait aren't you the one I am seeing people reference that puts the whole site behind authentication using nginx? Would that be a better option ? Would this create the ability for them to create their own user and login?
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aaronpk i don't think there is a way to tie that to chat accounts tho
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drizzt09 Oh. Thats just to get into the site only?
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aaronpk yeah, so it wouldn't be visible at all unless you're logged in
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