#indieweb 2024-08-30

2024-08-30 UTC
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ruta123 [mattl]: this is such a nice idea
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lazcorp I'm still getting a "Could not find a syndication or category link for this entry to news.indieweb.org." error when I try to submit https://www.lazaruscorporation.co.uk/blogs/artists-notebook/posts/nsfw-on-the-indieweb to IndieNews, but the u-syndication link to IndiwNews is definitely there
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lazcorp The h-entry (inc. the syndication link) validates using https://indiewebify.me/validate-h-entry/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lazaruscorporation.co.uk%2Fblogs%2Fartists-notebook%2Fposts%2Fnsfw-on-the-indieweb
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lazcorp Is this a bug in my HTML or a bug in the IndieNews submission form?
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lazcorp Ah well, I've logged an issue on Github
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[tantek] Does anyone here have sidenotes on their blog posts?
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[jeremycherfas] I wish. But too much tooling to be responsive, at least for now.
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capjamesg[d] [tantek] I think Tracy uses them.
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capjamesg[d] See https://tracydurnell.com/style-guide/ for the layout.
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capjamesg[d] [edit] See https://tracydurnell.com/style-guide/ for the layout.
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Loqi [preview] Tracy Durnell
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Loqi [preview] Tracy Durnell
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[tantek] Well that's enough to stub a new page for sidenotes.
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "NSFW on the IndieWeb" https://www.lazaruscorporation.co.uk/blogs/artists-notebook/posts/nsfw-on-the-indieweb
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lazcorp [tantek] Richard Rutter also does - e.g. https://clagnut.com/blog/2395
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[tantek] Those examples (and desire!) plus the links I added to /footnote See Also would work for a /sidenote page
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[tantek] lazcorp yes that same link was shared earlier in #indieweb-dev which started this discussion :)
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lazcorp [tantek] ah! I knew I'd seen it mentioned recently (and it was in my browser history) but I couldn't remember where I saw it
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[KevinMarks] Molly White has sidenotes on citation needed too
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[KevinMarks] And her annotate project supports them https://github.com/molly/annotate
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Loqi [preview] [molly] annotate: Annotate text and publish it on the web
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[snarfed] are sidenotes and /marginalia the same thing, except sidenotes are from the author and marginalia are from other people?
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lazcorp [snarfed] there are two categories of marginalia: illustrations intended to accompany the text and later annotations by owners and readers
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lazcorp (historically speaking, that is)
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lazcorp The wiki treats sidenotes as "by the author of the main piece" and marginalia as later annotations/responses by others, which seems a good enough definition
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[snarfed] yup ok
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xgpt i'
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xgpt I'm curious if there is a good guide for learning web dev basics with a hyperfocus on correct/clean/modern code? I'm new to web markup and would like to avoid things like unnecessary div tags in my code if html5 semantic markup is preferred. The only thing I'm really learning about this is that there are a dozen different ways to generate the same
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xgpt looking website but the code often looks drastically different
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[tantek] [snarfed] sidenotes are primarily about the semantic, they are aSIDE from the main content. marginalia are primarily about the presentation, they are about things you put in the margins
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[tantek] xgpt, you're looking for the MDN Curriculum: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/curriculum/
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[snarfed] [tantek] hmm! I may not fully understand you, but that definition of marginalia doesn't seem to match "marginalia are responses to parts of a post" on https://indieweb.org/marginalia
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[snarfed] but maybe I just don't understand. (which is ok!)
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[tantek] yeah I was answering you in the "general" sense, rather than the "indieweb-specific context" sense
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[tantek] and yeah that dfn needs to be updated to be user-centric and protocol-free
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[tantek] marginalia << to do: update dfn to be user-centric, capturing both general meaning of marginalia and what it means to users of the indieweb, and move anything/everything protocol related to dev-specific How To sections
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Loqi hey [tantek]: it looks like this conversation is getting pretty technical (protocol), can you take it to #indieweb-dev?
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Loqi ok, I added "to do: update dfn to be user-centric, capturing both general meaning of marginalia and what it means to users of the indieweb, and move anything/everything protocol related to dev-specific How To sections" to the "See Also" section of /marginalia https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=96715&oldid=94769
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[tantek] ok on an on topic thing then, carrying on from #indieweb-random
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[tantek] capjamesg[d], I wanted to blog about our conversation about how I want every post to have a 'suggest edit' button, giving the example of [KevinMarks]'s live tooting from IWC PDX that I asked him to correct right there and he was able to edit it, but then I realized I should do an IWC PDX wrap-up post first, but then I realized the IWC PDX related wiki pages needed gardening/updating, but then I realized the IWC PDX Demos sessions needed to be
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[tantek] archived to the wiki...
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capjamesg[d] You made something though!
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capjamesg[d] Whether or not it was the thing you wanted to make at that moment, you still made something!
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[tantek] lol several things, I got very close to the thing I originally wanted to make, but then was too braintired to think/write creatively to do it!
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