#indieweb 2024-08-29
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ruta123 i know very little about bluesky's software architecture, what is their selling point??
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club - Pacific is starting soon! Join us! https://events.indieweb.org/pl5qy3HDEOhb
# [Joe_Crawford] I am running late to get back to my desk. I committed to starting the HWC Pacific. I can still do that but likely 5-10 minutes late given traffic I find myself in.
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# [Otto_Rask] what makes mastodon hard to use? the initial choice of picking a server? because otherwise mastodon is as simple to use as any social app there is
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aaronpk understanding how to follow someone not on your instance, understanding the difference between local and global timeline, understanding why when you click on someone’s profile only some things appear but not others, why hashtags don’t show all the posts everywhere, what is the difference between mastodon and the fediverse, I can keep going
# [Otto_Rask] and how is this solved in bsky? wouldn't decentralization mean the same problems exist there?
# [Otto_Rask] or does bsky do extra processing (i.e. add strain on servers) to make things identical between servers? or something similar?
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# ruta123 [Otto_Rask]: i actually asked this same question to friends just 2 days ago, picking up a server seem very confusing to them... i tried explaining this part as in picking a email service provider, like between gmail or hotmail or whatever. but they still confused. bear in mind, they are all engineers
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# ruta123 sometimes i wonder if centralized services has done such success in marketing themselves, like making ppl think Gmail is so unique, to the point that overshadow the definition of email itself. So the action of picking a sever simply do not exist in most ppl's mind anymore. It's just picking Gmail or not Gmail.
# ruta123 sebbu: true... but that's what confused my friends
# [Otto_Rask] it has been a few years since the great twitter exodus and I'm amazed that mastodon/fedi people have not come up with a succinct explainer of what an instance is and what the decentralization means; I think bsky at least at some point supported smoother account migrations (i.e. transfer content, followers, etc.), as opposed to mastodon where that process moves only part of your stuff and the guides on it are messy and so on; proper migration
# [Otto_Rask] tools would remove the anxiety when it comes to picking an instance on fedi
# ruta123 sebbu: idk, maybe if the design is different, it would help??? i used tuba, it doesn't show the user any of these part of confusing elements, or at least doens't have it.
# ruta123 actually im wrong... i forgot this discord is about website... mb
# ruta123 forget about the desktop app i mentioned... 😅
# sebbu https://mastodon.social/@npub14yct5d2heclcc3cmmurk4gu7pvluz8k2rc2l5rx4a44eav5aww9qpxe4fj@momostr.pink i don't even see my message when i talk to myself over there
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lazcorp I e gettng an "Could not find a syndication or category link for this entry to news.indieweb.org" error when trying to submit to IndieNews (but a syndication link exists in https://www.lazaruscorporation.co.uk/blogs/artists-notebook/posts/nsfw-on-the-indieweb )
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[KevinMarks] I signed up for threads yesterday and the experience was so bad (and took so long) that I wrote a huge essay for Christopher to pass on to Engineering there.
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jimw ruta123: The models of federation for Bluesky and Mastodon/Fediverse are quite different. Bluesky feels a lot less decentralized. But I think a better explanation for the difference in momentum I was talking about was that the core Bluesky development is well-funded relative to Mastodon, and the Bluesky team is more focused on user experience and
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[tantek] it's not clear which is more well-funded because Mastodon also brings in a ton of donations. also not clear which is more sustainably funded, as Mastodon has more recurring smaller donations AFAIK, whereas BlueSky got a big initial investment but I'm not sure how much recurring (or from how many people) donations/investment they are receiving
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# btrem I think bank websites might be the most user hostile. And absurd.
# btrem jimw that system still exists. At least it did when I bought t-bills a year ago.
# btrem The number of stupid things I've encountered. I just set up a new account a couple of days ago, and logged in for the first time today. It made me enter my cell phone number for (terrible) 2FA. When I pressed the "continue" button, I got some sort of generic error message ("Sorry we can't continue at this time").
# btrem I thought maybe I was blocking the wrong script. So pressed the back button on my browser. But instead of returning to the previous "enter phone number" screen, it just logged me in. !!
# btrem Nice security.
# btrem Yep.
# btrem To think some company/bank division actually made this, and thought, look what we made.
# btrem But not in a horrified way. Like presumably they were proud of what they had done.
# jimw Yeah, Alex Russell's series on the failures of front-end JavaScript kind of covers how this goes off the rails for government projects. https://infrequently.org/2024/08/the-landscape/
# Loqi [indienews] New post: "Has the IndieWeb become discourse again?" https://martymcgui.re/2024/08/29/141602/
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[schmarty] 👋 😄
# [schmarty] i had to rewrite it because i posted the first version from my untested "reply" tool in Banter and it just didn't send the content 😂 😭
# [schmarty] might be saltier the second time around
# [schmarty] 😋
# [tantek] capjamesg[d], on the topic of "edit suggestion" posts (user-friendlier renaming/reframing of "pull request"), which the original author could "accept suggestion" (e.g.f for fixing typos etc.) I did write this over a decade ago: https://tantek.com/2011/174/t1/read-fork-write-merge-web-osb11
# [schmarty] tyty 🙏
# [snarfed] http://micro.blog - with its built in domain registration and automatic DNS that users don't have to see - may be the best response right now
# [schmarty] ty for reminding me http://micro.blog can register domains! updated my post.
# [schmarty] and yeah, pretty much agree on the all-else-is-gravy thing.
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# [schmarty] haha omg someone followed my site on bluesky via bridgy fed
# [schmarty] snarfed++ bridgyfed++
# [schmarty] now i exist twice on bluesky 😱
# [schmarty] haha, thanks! i haven't chosen how i wanna use bluesky so it's fine! great, even!
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# Loqi The corporate web is perhaps more critically explained as the capitalist web, where people are the product, and their time, attention, and clicks are seen as a natural resource to be extracted and sold to the highest bidder https://indieweb.org/corporate
# [schmarty] haha
# [schmarty] gRegor++ thx for the typo fix. my days of sysadmining for free are... certainly at a middle.
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# Loqi ✅ IndieMark is an in-progress developer guide that organizes IndieWeb features into related clusters based on implementation trends within the community https://indieweb.org/IndieMark
# [schmarty] it's really difficult to separate things well (and keep them that way)
# [schmarty] i think so, too! but really hard. and it will go stale. and etc. but this is the work. :}
# [KevinMarks] We have done it via github for my site before, if you want a example
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# [KevinMarks] Also there are verbs for that in Activity Streams, as Jira implemented them in AS1 if you want more silo examples
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# [KevinMarks] The omg.lol is close there, though it is a subdomain
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "level 0" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "level 0 is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [tantek] level 0 is /IndieMark#Level_0
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