#indieweb 2024-09-04

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[sebbu] [snarfed] it's missing instructions if i want to host the host-meta / webfinger myself instead of redirecting, ie if i'm planning to support multiple services
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[snarfed] [sebbu] hah yes that's not supported right now
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[snarfed] I'm happy to work with you to try it manually if you want though! easy first pass is just to base your webfinger response on what's in Bridgy Fed's webfinger for your site right now
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[snarfed] what other webfinger-based services would you include?
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[tantek] I'd suggest taking that to #indieweb-dev tbh
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[snarfed] agreed
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[tantek] gosh darnit even my greatly shortened summary "repost" of my "Twenty years of microformats" post got dropped on the floor by Mastodon
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[tantek] https://tantek.com/2024/247/t1/twenty-years-microformats-summary
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Loqi [tantek]: it seems like this conversation is more appropriate for #indieweb-dev (Microformats)
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Loqi [preview] [Tantek Çelik] Twenty years ago this past February, @KevinMarks.com (@KevinMarks@xoxo.zone) and I introduced #microformats in a conference presentation. Full post: https://tantek.com/2024/044/t1/twenty-years-microformats Aside: This is a summary of a longer post ...
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[tantek] yes yes stop looking in URLs Loqi
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[tantek] trying an even shorter version of that post
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[tantek] my Atom subscribers are going to get annoyed but oh well
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[tantek] wow that even shorter "Twenty years of" post got dropped on the floor by Mastodon: https://tantek.com/2024/247/t2/twenty-years-microformats-shorter
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Loqi [preview] [Tantek Çelik] Twenty years ago this past February, @KevinMarks.com and I introduced #microformats in a conference presentation. Full post: https://tantek.com/2024/044/t1/twenty-years-microformats Aside: This is an even shorter summary of that post from ~200 days...
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[tantek] almost at the binary search trial & error part
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[tantek] only 6 hashtags and I've definitely posted posts with more hashtags than that, so that's not it
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[tantek] only 3 (non-hashtag) links, and I've also posted far more links than that in posts
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[tantek] oh no, the common element across all 5 posts is mentioning and auto-linking @Kevinmarks(.)com
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[tantek] no sorry, all 5 *recent* posts, AND the 2 earlier posts that mentioned @ Kevinmarks .com
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[tantek] oh dear, doing a full search to see if I mentioned Kevin in any other posts. that would be so weird if that was it
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[tantek] nope that's not it, the years-posse-microformats-adoption which Mastodon dropped did not mention @ Kevinmarks .com
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jimw maybe it doesn't like posts with 'years' in the title or slug.
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[tantek] interesting, however the 4th & 5th most recent posts listed in my "Adventures" post do not have 'years' in the title or slug.
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[tantek] retrying with changing just the Kevin Marks reference
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[tantek] assuming all I have to do is change the slug to get Bridgy Fed to treat it as a new post
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[tantek] yup
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[tantek] oh my goodness that was it!
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[tantek] ok [snarfed] I have seriously narrowed it down
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[tantek] something that Bridgy Fed is delivering to Mastodon when the content has a naked domain @-reference is causing Mastodon to choke and drop it on the floor
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[tantek] alright switching to #indieweb-dev
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jimw fwiw, your most recent showed up for me via the #indieweb tag and i don't recall that the others did.
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[tantek] yay! thanks for confirming jimw
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Loqi giggles
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[tantek] this is a very weird bug and I'm glad I've tracked down a "simple" way of triggering it vs not
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[tantek] I'm hoping that's sufficient forensics for [snarfed] to look into what is different between the two posts and what is being sent to Mastodon
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[tantek] more details in #indieweb-dev
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doesnm I have domain but not have hosting. What can i use?
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pcarrier doesnm: do you want to build a static site, or run some content management system?
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doesnm i think static site is better?
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pcarrier doesnm: if it fits your needs sure, but if you want eg comments / webmentions you might want something more.
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pcarrier doesnm: you'll find a bunch of options on https://www.11ty.dev/docs/deployment/ for example. disclaimer: I built and operate https://xmit.co
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pcarrier doesnm: depending on where you host, you might also want to add a CDN in front to accelerate the delivery of your content to viewers everywhere. cloudflare is popular because of a generous free tier. they also support hosting of static content directly.
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pcarrier doesnm: instead of using a vendor, you can also pick any machine with a stable internet connection, at home or in a datacenter. "VPS" are virtualized private servers (so instead of getting a box in a rack, you get a small virtual machine on one such box) and can be rented for a few bucks a month. that means you have to administer a system (usually Linux) yourself though.
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Loqi hey pcarrier: can you move the tech talk (deployment, VPS) to #indieweb-dev to keep this channel more inclusive and inviting?
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pcarrier doesnm: I'll be in #indieweb-dev ;) don't worry about the tons of options, you can always pick something simple that fits your current needs and change later.
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doesnm pcarrier: i stop paing for my vps long time ago. If pubnix/tidle is counted as hosting so i maybe setup all stuff on his
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doesnm answer in dev if it was offtopic
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club Europe/London is starting soon! Join us! https://events.indieweb.org/GalzvIDpEF88
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Bowl for Kittybox 1.0" https://fireburn.ru/posts/byypbyN
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vikanezrimaya heck yeah i finally made it to 1.0
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vikanezrimaya well, version numbers are arbitrary anyway, but I'd say "this is good enough"
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vikanezrimaya i've been developing this new micropub client over a week maybe?...
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vikanezrimaya scratch that, two weeks actually
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vikanezrimaya and i discovered in the end that I managed to forget refreshing tokens... (I diligently save the refresh tokens to the keyring, but I forgot to write code to actually use them)
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vikanezrimaya anyway party time 🎉
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[schmarty] vikanezrimaya++ congrats!
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[Joe_Crawford] [marksuth]++ thanks for hosting HWC!
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capjamesg[d] vikanezrimaya++
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capjamesg[d] [marksuth]++
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[tantek] [marksuth]++
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twistedtranssister Okay...I have returned....but to find that it seems Known isnt being actively worked on anymore Q.Q
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[snarfed] it's not buzzing, but it doesn't seem dead: https://github.com/idno/known/commits/dev/
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twistedtranssister thats good to hear, maybe I can track someone down over there to help with installing this. I did it once before many moons ago, but for some reason I am getting nowhere this time. I am determined to figure this out xD
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[mattl]2 So thanks to Adam over at omg.lol — all omg.lol pages should now pass https://indiewebify.me/validate-h-card/ — mine wasn’t working so I made some manual adjustments and then showed him what I did and he fixed it up for everyone.
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[mattl]2 what is omg.lol
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Loqi omg.lol is a web hosting platform on which you can build a web presence, offering features like hosting a simple landing page, email forwarding, and URL redirection, and a community around the product https://indieweb.org/omg.lol
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[tantek] [mattl]++ amazing!
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[mattl]2 Also right now they’re doing a fundraiser for St. Jude’s hospital and all their prices are 50% off… I just renewed my site for two years for the price of one. Pretty great.
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[tantek] thanks for the heads-up [mattl] — added a new section, can you add a link to an example h-card? https://indieweb.org/omg.lol#IndieWeb_Friendly
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[mattl]2 Done. I used Adam’s profile.
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pcarrier maybe a silly question, but why no Planet IndieWeb?
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[tantek] what is planet?
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Loqi A planet, in the context of the indieweb, and blogs/feeds for even longer, is a site that aggregates feeds/updates from a variety of sources, typically focused on a particular topic or community https://indieweb.org/planet
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[tantek] pcarrier, it's there, just a bit buried (added a highlight to the top of the page) https://stream.indieweb.org
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pcarrier stream is not what I think of as a planet, it's only on certain keywords right? I expect a planet to have random posts from the community
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capjamesg[d] Also the Stream isn't up to date.
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[tantek] oh? it should be. hmm -> #indieweb-meta
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[tantek] [snarfed] re: Known — would also suggest folks ask about updates and such in #indieweb-known!
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[benatwork] t​wistedtranssister: I'm working on trying to revitalize it. Let me know how I can help
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[tantek] [benatwork]++ ❤️
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cascade_proto Hey all! I'm Cascade. Long time dev, first time chatter. I tend to lurk. Happy to be here!
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cascade_proto I got a personal website up earlier this year: https://cascading.space
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cascade_proto [edit] I got a personal website up earlier this year: https://cascading.space
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cascade_proto [edit] I got a personal website up earlier this year: https://cascading.space
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Loqi [preview] Cascade the Protogen
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Loqi [preview] Cascade the Protogen
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Loqi [preview] Cascade the Protogen
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gRegor o/ Welcome, Cascade
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[tantek] cascade_proto++ welcome and nice site!
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