#indieweb 2024-09-23

2024-09-23 UTC
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[tantek] !tell aaronpk you're not alone — Disney Halloween started August 23 😂 https://mickeyvisit.com/disneyland-halloween/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Jean Is there any simple application to publish notices and images like timeline from Indie Web?
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magni Jean maybe a simple static blog generator like Jekyll?
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[tantek] magni, unfortunately (nearly?) no static blog generators are "simple" in that they nearly all require learning/using a /CLI. See /SSG for more details.
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[tantek] what is getting started
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Loqi 🎉 Get started on the indieweb by connecting with the IndieWeb community, getting a personal domain, a place for your content, and setting up your home page and other IndieWeb essentials https://indieweb.org/Getting_started
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[tantek] Jean, the relatively "simple" applications/services that all support publishing notes and images are listed here: https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started#IndieWeb_Services
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pcarrier[d] [tantek] I'd say that's a case of simple vs easy 😉
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[tantek] No, nothing simple about something that relies on a CLI
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[tantek] nor easy
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[tantek] Jean, if you're comfortable with installing and maintaining a CMS, there are a bunch more options for notes and images. However I wouldn't call any of them "simple": https://indieweb.org/CMS
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[snarfed] or first we should probably recommend http://micro.blog
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[snarfed] esp for such a high level question
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[tantek] [snarfed] http://micro.blog is one of the services at the link I posted first
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[snarfed] true! good point
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[tantek] I'd rather recommend a list like "services" that includes http://micro.blog (right at the top) rather than telling people to (implicitly only) check out http://micro.blog
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[snarfed] 👍
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pcarrier[d] [tantek] "nothing simple" is untrue. most CLIs are simple(r than their graphical counterpoints) by one of the word's definitions: "2 plain, basic, or uncomplicated in form, nature, or design; without much decoration or ornamentation". which doesn't make them easy to use or a good recommendation for most people.
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[tantek] I think you might be looking for "minimalist" which is very different from "simple"
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pcarrier[d] no, I'm not. I just gave a definition for the former not the latter. I've also had people smarter than me nitpick at the word and arrive at a similar perspective (eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxdOUGdseq4)
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pcarrier[d] [edit] no, I'm not. I just gave a definition for the former not the latter. I've also had people smarter than me nitpick at the word and arrive at a similar perspective (eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxdOUGdseq4)
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pcarrier[d] (FWIW my dictionary defines minimalist by referring to minimalism, then minimalism in terms of simple)
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[tantek] I would say most CLIs, certainly every SSG I have seen is not "simple" from the mere characteristic that they are easily forgettable (how to use). Whereas a "simple" thing would be like a microwave, you walk up to it, even never seen one before, and you would understand how to use it
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[tantek] that's simple.
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pcarrier[d] that's intuitive
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pcarrier[d] wood and a box of matches have fewer parts and requirements, they're simpler. even if you'd have no idea what to do with them without training.
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[tantek] nope, first line of http://enwp.org/Simple: "Something easy to understand or explain seems simple" fits quite well
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[schmarty] sounds like #indieweb-cafe chat
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[tantek] I'd say generic dictionaries are bad at this kind of nuance, especially in practice, so not a great source tbh
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[tantek] anyway yes, as [schmarty] is nudging us, I will say there are no simple SSGs
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Loqi hey [tantek], we try to keep dev talk (SSG, SSGs) out of this channel, can you move to #indieweb-dev?
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[tantek] see? ^
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[schmarty] gives loqi a high five
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[mattl] heh.
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Loqi runs away from the high five
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[schmarty] fair enough
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[mattl] what is ftp
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Loqi FTP is an abbreviation for File Transfer Protocol, a way to move files for a website or application to a different machine (like your webserver) https://indieweb.org/FTP
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[mattl] what is sftp
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Loqi FTP is an abbreviation for File Transfer Protocol, a way to move files for a website or application to a different machine (like your webserver) https://indieweb.org/sftp
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capjamesg[d] Is there an https://odesli.co/ (song.link) equivalent for art?
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capjamesg[d] [edit] Is there an https://odesli.co/ (song.link) equivalent for art?
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capjamesg[d] Can I rely on gallery links staying up (knowing that art moves between museums)?
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[mattl] https://album.link/i/1040982031 -- this is pretty neat. Never heard of this before.
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[mattl] (the service, not the album)
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capjamesg[d] Yeah!
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capjamesg[d] It is cool.
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[snarfed] sad day, I don't plan to fight the YouTube bot detection arms race, so I think the time has come to turn down huffduff-video https://github.com/snarfed/huffduff-video/issues/52#issuecomment-2369160227
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Loqi [preview] [snarfed] OK all. I don't plan to fight the bot detection arms race, so I think the sad conclusion here is that I turn down huffduff-video, point people to PodQueue, and let others who want to self-host do that. I'll plan to do that soon. It's had a good al...
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Zegnat [snarfed]++ for keeping it up all those years
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[snarfed] 🙏
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[schmarty] 🫡 snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 34 karma in this channel over the last year (101 in all channels)
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[schmarty] struggling with this same issue at work with youtube blocking us from downloading our own videos for archiving 😩
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[snarfed] ugh
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[schmarty] folks are seeking workarounds.
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[mattl] using yt-dl?
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[schmarty] yt-dlp is what we're using. they're trying a patch to pass along a new kind of token that youtube is setting with apparently mixed results.
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Talking about Writing" https://artlung.com/blog/2024/09/23/talking-about-writing/
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