#indieweb 2024-10-10

2024-10-10 UTC
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nataliagruber [capjamesg] checking out your site, I like the varying themes on different posts!
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lmorchard Heya folks 👋🏻 wandering over here to say hi. Tried joining via IRC, but apparently my IP is banned? Been a web nerd for a good long while. My blog turned 22 this year, neglected though I keep meaning to post more 😅 https://blog.lmorchard.com/
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lmorchard [edit] Heya folks 👋🏻 wandering over here to say hi. Tried joining via IRC, but apparently my IP is banned? Been a web nerd for a good long while. My blog turned 22 this year, neglected though I keep meaning to post more 😅 https://blog.lmorchard.com/
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nataliagruber Hi there!
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capjamesg[d] Welcome, lmorchard[d]!
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capjamesg[d] Nat_icannotweave_ink_[d]: Thank you!
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capjamesg[d] I like writing about different things.
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Lloyd1 Hello!
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Lloyd1 I'm working on adding webmentions to my site and learning indieweb as I go along. I was wondering what the deal with trailing slashes is, and how to handle that?
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aaronpk what are trailing slashes?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "trailing slashes" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "trailing slashes is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk darn
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Lloyd1 I lost the URL I found, but, https://webmention.io/api/mentions.jf2?target=https://sia.codes/posts/webmentions-eleventy-in-depth/ notice how that has a trailing slash? Sometimes I've noticed that the trailing slash or not gives different webmention.io feed results
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aaronpk trailing slashes aren't anything special
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aaronpk a URL that ends in a slash is a different URL from the URL without the slash
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Lloyd1 Of course, but if someone mentions something.com/note/1/ and then someone else mentions something.com/note/1 - that's two different feeds that for all intents is the same url
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Lloyd1 *same page I guess
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aaronpk those are only considered the same because one redirects to the other
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aaronpk ideally the webmention receiver would recognize that one is a redirect and store the webmention at the canonical URL, but webmention.io doesn't do that because it's not actually part of the website
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Lloyd1 Ah I found the one I was on about:
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Lloyd1 Ah I found the one I was on about:
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Lloyd1 https://webmention.io/api/mentions.jf2?target=https://janmonschke.com/adding-webmentions-to-your-static-blog vs https://webmention.io/api/mentions.jf2?target=https://janmonschke.com/adding-webmentions-to-your-static-blog/
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aaronpk it's the same issue as https://example.com/post/1234/ vs https://example.com/post/1234/some-custom-slug
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Lloyd1 I suppose requesting both versions to be safe would work but would increase the request count
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Lloyd1 yeah I understand - just seems tricky to work with
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aaronpk i suppose webmention.io *could* fetch the target page and check for a redirect and store it only on the redirected-to URL, which would work as long as the website actually redirects non-trailing-slash to trailing-slash as opposed to serving the page from both URLs
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Lloyd1 That would be a nice feature yeah
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aaronpk it won't fix it if the canonical URL is the one with the slug and then the author later changes the slug, but it would handle the simple case of the trailing slash
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Lloyd1 Fair enough
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Lloyd1 I keep coming across slash vs no slash with different tools and frameworks, even google's handling of sitemaps, and its something I just wanted to ask about in case :D
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aaronpk ok captured the feature request here, no promises on a timeline https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/217
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Lloyd1 Awesome, thank you for considering it
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Loqi aaronpk has 7 karma in this channel over the last year (124 in all channels)
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[schmarty] aaronpk++
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aaronpk in unrelated news, anyone have a suggestion for a new name for webmention.io? :D if I need to move off of .io, I might as well give it a better name
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_pi_r2_0[d] aaronpk[d] are you done with ccTLDs or is that still an option? 😄
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aaronpk haha
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aaronpk i should probably stay away from ccTLDs in the future
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Loqi I agree
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[Joe_Crawford] Extend of `.net` or `.dev` come immediately to my mind. Maybe `.coop`?
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[Joe_Crawford] Err… extension must be what I meant. Coffee deficit.
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aaronpk i'm not too worried about the TLD, gotta pick a name first
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[KevinMarks] Something like incoming.link?
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[tantek] lmorchard++ welcome!
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Loqi lmorchard has 1 karma over the last year
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aaronpk i think i want to go for something less literal
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[tantek] something more web searchable tbh
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[schmarty] time for a new-name brainstorming section on https://indieweb.org/webmention.io ?
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[tantek] this is a bit meta or dev like tho
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[tantek] how do you brainstorm something publicly like that without enabling (encouraging?) squatting?
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[schmarty] personally? i would not worry about it 😂
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aaronpk same lol
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[Joe_Crawford] ^ yes indeed. Pull up a chair. I'll be talking about MySpace and how I think it relates to CSS.
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capjamesg[d] Join us! ^^
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capjamesg[d] [Joe_Crawford]++
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Loqi [Joe_Crawford] has 34 karma in this channel over the last year (87 in all channels)
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capjamesg[d] I learned so much!
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[mattl] any reason something like http://webmention.io couldn't just be http://webmention.indieweb.org ?
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lazcorp Am I the only person who didn't know that pressing Shift + Esc while in Firefox or Chrome brings up a process manager telling you the memory/CPU usage of each tab (plus extensions)?
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[mattl] I knew it was there, didn't know the keyboard shortcut for it
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[tantek] [mattl] bc wm io is a 100% aaronpk thing
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[tantek] And there are others like the heroku one
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[tantek] Better to have many such services than one that is implicitly favored by being at a community domain
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gRegor Didn't know that keyboard shortcut, cool
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aaronpk yeah *.indieweb.org is for community infrastructure, webmention.io is not that, same with my other things like aperture.p3k.io (speaking of other domains I might need to move)
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capjamesg[d] A terrific post from werd.io: https://werd.io/2024/it-turns-out-im-still-excited-about-the-web
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capjamesg[d] [edit] A terrific post from werd.io: https://werd.io/2024/it-turns-out-im-still-excited-about-the-web
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nsmsn Shared in #indieweb-dev already, but...a beginner-friendly guide to HTML: https://htmlforpeople.com/
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capjamesg[d] Ooooh!
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capjamesg[d] What made WordPress successful?
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jimw it ran on super-cheap hosting easily.
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jimw i forget what the time-frame they used, but basically the promise was a five-minute install or something like that.
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[mattl] WordPress was much easier to install than Movable Type plus Movable Type screwed up their licensing.
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[tantek] plus it was "more hackable" (insert programming language fight), so more people hacked on it
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jimw PHP is also an easier language for people to get into and run on cheap shared hosting than Perl/etc were.
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[tantek] and ... inserted. thanks jimw 😂
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capjamesg[d] Interesting!
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capjamesg[d] [mattl] What happened with Movable Type's licensing?
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capjamesg[d] I just realised I had never asked why WP was so successful among all of the website builders.
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gRegor https://indieweb.org/Movable_Type#Examples has some details
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jimw Part of it was just the vagaries of timing and some herd-following. I can imagine alternate timelines where Textpattern or Serendipity or something else ended up being the top PHP-based blog/CMS tool.
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[tantek] capjamesg[d], I believe Wikipedia has a pretty big write-up on what happened with Movable Type's licensing missteps
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jimw unfortunately web.archive.org looks like it offline now and the link is dead otherwise, but http://varchars.com/archives/2004/05/76.html was a piece about PHP-based blogging systems that was written about the time of MT 3.0's release, which is when the licensing discussion blew up.
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Loqi jimw: it seems like this conversation is more appropriate for #indieweb-dev (PHP)
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[tantek] capjamesg[d], 3rd paragraph and onward has a decent summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movable_Type#History
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capjamesg[d] Interesting.
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[mattl] It's a shame, Movable Type once installed was a nice GUI SSG that we had twenty years ago.
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[mattl] Installing it was a bit annoying, but looks like they haven't really been able to do much to overcome that in the last 20 years. It's Perl so permissions are a bit more precise than WordPress, and the rest is history.
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[morganm] Hello indieweb -- bereft of inspiration lately
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Halian o/
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Halian mood ._.
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[morganm] For real. Im sure I'll have some inspiration in the future but not atm
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[snarfed] don't stress! breaks are ok, life happens
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Halian ^
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[tantek] what is life happens
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Loqi life happens is a summary expression of numerous things that people experience in their actual physical lives that suddenly take higher priority than nearly anything else (like participation in volunteer-based communities), and the IndieWeb community is here to acknowledge, accept, and be supportive of community members experiencing this https://indieweb.org/life_happens
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[tantek] what is inspiration
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "inspiration" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "inspiration is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] morganm, you're not alone apparently, the wiki is also bereft of /inspiration 😂
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[morganm] When I'm home I'll add something
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[morganm] Coffee may be involved
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[morganm] ++inspiration
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[morganm] Inspiration++
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Loqi Inspiration has 1 karma over the last year