#indieweb 2024-10-12

2024-10-12 UTC
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[snarfed] I think Twitter was/i the former, not the latter?
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[snarfed] no matter
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[tantek] sounds a bit more user-friendly (less jargony) than "fediverse instance" or "fediverse server"
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[tantek] [snarfed] now I'm trying to think of how I would copywrite such an "automated DM"
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[tantek] I think this sort of thing requires careful design to avoid pissing people off who have a bias against being contacted by robots 😂
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[snarfed] "Hi! Just so you know, my fediverse provider had a bad bug that accidentally removed all of my followers, including you. Feel free to follow me again if you're still interested. Sorry for the inconvenience!"
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pixelglade At least as far as Twitter is concerned, the most random DMs I get are people asking if they can turn my artwork into NFTs which are probably bulk messages (answer is no) and Let's Tag Everyone In This Same Message to sell crypto spam.
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[tantek] [snarfed] yes I can post something like that publicly
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[tantek] for the DM, I think it may be better to not pretend to be me and be transparent about it coming from the service?
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[snarfed] I mean, if you write it yourself, is there a difference?
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[snarfed] [philosophy 🍿]
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[tantek] heh
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[tantek] BridgyFed, please take a memo for me
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[snarfed] kinda literally
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[tantek] is remembering back to my typewriter / business letter classes where there was a particular way of signing a business letter with the initials of the secretary that prepared it
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[tantek] oh yes, like TÇ:bf or TÇ/bf was the syntax back then
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[tantek] [snarfed] what happens if they DM a reply?
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[tantek] I'm worried that pretending it's me will make people think they can use DMs with a BF user reliably with "normal" DM expectations, when that's not the case (it's not an implemented or planned to be feature)
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[tantek] hence something more like
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[tantek] "BridgyFed (fediverse provider for @tantek.com) notice: due to bad bug in our code, we accidentally deleted @tantek.com's "ActivityPub actor" (since restored) which had the unfortunate side-effect notifying every follower whose instances then unfollowed @tantek.com. If you still want to follow @tantek.com, please opt-in to doing so. Nothing is being done automatically. Apologies for the inconvenience! @tantek.com@tantek.com (sent by
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[tantek] http://fed.brid.gy)
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[tantek] sorry, fix grammar etc. feel free to simplify
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[tantek] edit:
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[tantek] "BridgyFed (fediverse provider for @tantek.com) notice: due to a bug in our code, we accidentally deleted @tantek.com's "ActivityPub actor" (since restored) which had the unfortunate side-effect notifying every follower whose instances then unfollowed @tantek.com. If you still want to follow @tantek.com, please refollow at your discretion. Nothing is being done automatically. Apologies for the inconvenience! @tantek.com@tantek.com (sent by
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Loqi hey [tantek], we try to keep jargon (ActivityPub) out of this channel to make it more inviting to newcomers, can you move this to #indieweb-dev?
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[tantek] http://fed.brid.gy)
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[tantek] sorry Loqi 😢
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[snarfed] I wouldn't worry about any DM feature confusion. I'd guess most of your followers have never heard of BF, and don't know that you're using it, which is why my draft kept it simple and didn't mention it
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[snarfed] given that I wonder if this would just add more confusion
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[snarfed] but if you're trying to explain that you didn't manually type the message to each follower manually, separately, then I guess I get it
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[snarfed] (and to be clear, I can send whatever you want 😁)
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[tantek] yeah that's more it
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[tantek] because I suspect some may use it as a hey! haven't chatted in a while... and then go right into txt-message style comms
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[tantek] whereas if they see it as an admin notice, they're unlikely to reply
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[tantek] maybe it should say whether replies to the DM are expected / ok or not ?
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[snarfed] ah, sure. yeah a "[notice: sent via Bridgy Fed, this account doesn't yet support receiving DMs]" footer might do it
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[tantek] I mean, no Bridgy Fed account supports that right?
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[snarfed] only a couple commands, not DMs to the human user themselves
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[tantek] [This message sent by Bridgy Fed on behalf of @tantek.com. Bridgy Fed accounts do not yet support receiving DMs]
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[snarfed] sure
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[tantek] this could be useful to brainstorm/document anyway as a microcopy pattern, potentially for other such fedi/bridging services
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[tantek] for sending admin related notes
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[tantek] let me iterate / simplify in BBEdit a bit
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[tantek] also curious if the bridge emoji would be a useful indicator
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[tantek] ok maybe this iteration is #indieweb-dev -like enough to go there
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[tantek] [snarfed] more on the user side of things, it appears I'm getting zero reactions (likes reposts) again on Bridgy Fed? I mean maybe that's true but for four posts in a row now it's highly statistically unlikely (though perhaps more likely with fewer followers since they nearly all got dropped)
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[snarfed] yeah, fewer followers is the likely cause there
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[tantek] Ok let's go with that until proven otherwise
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[KevinMarks] This is neat https://htmlforpeople.com/
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] it's been shared a few times :)
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[qubyte] I also shared this on mastodon and I don’t think I’ve ever had such a strong positive response. Clearly it strikes a chord.
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[tantek] [mattl] [Joe_Crawford] and I chatted a bit over virtual coffee about why isn't there a nonprofit that preserves domains with static content
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[tantek] This seems related, via [aaronpk] in another Slack. Sharing here because of the focus on usecases rather than tech: https://openid.net/cg/death-and-the-digital-estate/
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[tantek] Their first meeting is Nov 15 and I encourage anyone interested in online and digital /longevity to participate!
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[Joe_Crawford] [tantek] that looks really interesting. Exactly the kind of thing that could address what I was carping about.
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aaronpk worth adding to events.indieweb.org?
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[tantek] If anyone is thinking of going!
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aaronpk i will be there
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[tantek] Definitely add it!
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[mattl] Can someone ask OpenID Foundation to give me some of their money too?
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[tantek] What is their funding source and why do people give them money?
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[mattl] https://openid.net/foundation/sponsoring-members/
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