#indieweb 2024-11-26

2024-11-26 UTC
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[aciccarello] "You do not own your social media accounts"
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[aciccarello] https://www.404media.co/xs-objection-to-the-onion-buying-infowars-is-a-reminder-you-do-not-own-your-social-media-accounts/
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[tantek] I mean how is this even a fight? Presumably once you own the domain you go email reset and takeover all the online service accounts associated with it right?
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[Joe_Crawford] "your account" says the support page. Is it though? is it _your account?_ https://help.x.com/en/managing-your-account
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[tantek] [Joe_Crawford] maybe it's like "your seat" on a flight. Different time period, similar absence of any actual "ownership", and the airline can give your seat to someone else involuntarily.
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[Joe_Crawford] InfoWars might be interesting if the trademark to it was also part of the sale.
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gRegor It was everything, as far as I know from the LegalEagle video I watched the other day
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gRegor But that's getting into -> random
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[snarfed] [tantek] X still ultimately controls the accounts, right? regardless of who can log into them at any given time, or how
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[Joe_Crawford] 100% correct for any silo.
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[tantek] [snarfed] sure, it's the difference between "just" using password reset and taking over the account within what the court awarded you, and instead having to wait for X to follow the court order
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[tantek] X can slow walk the latter and just "not do anything" / ignore orders, whereas to interfere with the former X has to take deliberate action in violation of a court order. Those seem quite different to me, IANAL etc.
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[Joe_Crawford] _"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." --_ any business.
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[Joe_Crawford] That "actually, you don't own your place here" is not part of the messaging when you get to choose your avatar, set your username, enter your short bio paragraph, etc etc.
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[snarfed] silo accounts aren't property, I doubt they could be included in court ordered asset forfeiture or transfers
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[snarfed] but yeah IANAL for most or all of us here 😆
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aaronpk pretty sure the terms of service also say you can't sell your account
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[tantek] [snarfed] the article has a bunch of prior case law where in nearly all court ordered asset forfeiture or transfers they ARE INCLUDED
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[tantek] [Joe_Crawford] re: the "right to refuse service" assumption, there's a whole lot of freeze speech advocates who have literally been fighting against that claiming that no matter how toxic their speech they must be allowed accounts on social media services to spew their words, and ironically the next US admin etc. will be advocating for that. so it will be hard to argue "both sides" of that at the same time
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[tantek] sorry meant to say freeze peach 🙂
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[Joe_Crawford] In addition these are entities which can be subject to law related to accessibility and to being nondiscriminatory. There's no "simple" summation. But to me _all of it_ is a reminder that you can't beat owning your own domain and having your own site with services you can understand and back up.
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[tantek] yes, that too! plenty of laws that protect consumers against various kinds of discrimination
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[Joe_Crawford] Pithy thread from Derek Powazek with a similar reminder about playing on the servers of others. https://bsky.app/profile/fraying.bsky.social/post/3lbv5k2bcwk2i
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