#indieweb 2024-12-07

2024-12-07 UTC
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Moult anybody here nethack players?
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glacier I played a little bit of it, but have more experience playing roguelikes with tilesets like Stone Soup
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Moult glacier: i played dcss without tiles and quite enjoyed it, but it's a very different feel to NH
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Moult it's more like a fighting game
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glacier I never got far enough in nethack to do a fair comparison, I kept getting stuck on level 3 because of not being able to find the staircase down and dumb things like that
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glacier I have a hard time remembering all the text commands and don't really enjoy inspecting a manual for the random times I feel like playing
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Moult i always found it surprising abou tthe "can't find the staircase down" thing. i never had that issue
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Moult but yes nh is really a game you need a wiki open next to you sometimes
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glacier I thought playing Stone Soup would prepare me for not missing staircases but I think I was spoiled by auto search and the tiles. It is usually easier to tell if you've fully explored an area with tiles than in nethack where the corridors don't really give you an indication of openings
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glacier it's probably something like that, I walked past an opening in a passage with a rock in it blocking a path and I couldn't figure the right way around it
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glacier I did enjoy some of the nethack deaths I experienced though since they were a novelty compared to SS like drinking water off the ground and its poisoned (lol) or getting killed by a bunch of mimics in a shop
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[snarfed] => #indieweb-random?
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Moult [snarfed]: i get the impression everything is off-topic in this channel
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glacier oops sorry
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[tantek] What is on topic for the indieweb channel?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "on topic for the indieweb channel" yet. Would you like to create it?_3 (Or just say "on topic for the indieweb channel is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] on topic for the indieweb channel is
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[tantek] /discuss#indieweb
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[tantek] on topic for the indieweb channel is /discuss#indieweb
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] What is on topic for the indieweb channel?
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Loqi 💬 Join #indieweb discussions via Discord, Slack, web chat, or IRC, (they are all bridged!) with focused channels for developers, WordPress, and meta topics! https://indieweb.org/on_topic_for_the_indieweb_channel
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[tantek] Moult please see that ^. No need to rely on impressions, there's plenty of docs on the community site about what is on topic for this channel and others
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immibis Moult: complaints about the topic policy are off-topic. please use #indieweb-meta
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Moult immibis: hahahahaha
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Loqi hehe
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Guest1 @snarfed seems like misuse https://fed.brid.gy/web/tokyomotion.net
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petermolnar Moult: you're not alone with that impression. Fragmenting the channels have been a pain point for me for a long time now.
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petermolnar immibis++ for the impeccable sarcasm
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arekenaten capjamesg[d] just wanted to say I've been really enjoying your advent of patterns series!
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capjamesg[d] cosenc[d] Thank you so much!!!
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[snarfed] as a counterpoint, I mostly appreciate the topic guidelines for the indieweb channels. before, when they've occasionally devolved into not-really-indieweb discussions of AI, or general tech rants, those conversations made me less want to be here, which was sad
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[snarfed] so I'm glad we have them
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[snarfed] (I do get the tension of fragmenting indieweb-specific channels too much vs eg scaring off newcomers with overly technical talk)
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[tantek] Indeed. Sounds like it may be worth another post about how curating a channel can help be more welcoming and inclusive of more different kinds and levels of folks
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[tantek] Petermolnar if you really feel that strongly about it in contrast, write a post about your reasons and why you think that should outweigh the reasons given in the wiki
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[snarfed] also, two related questions here, 1) indieweb-on-topic or not, and 2) which indieweb topics go into which channels, and how many
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[tantek] These are good questions to write about!
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[tantek] I would add a question to answer before those though:
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[tantek] 0) Who are we trying to welcome and make feel included in the IndieWeb community?
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[tantek] Because that greatly impacts 1 & 2, which IMO should not just be about "feels" or avoiding upsetting devs, because devs, while often grumpy 😂 , are persistent enough to find their way among channels.
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[snarfed] yes! => #indieweb-meta
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[tantek] Yes indeed for discussion itself. I was skirting the edge by saying this is what you should blog about (which is on topic 😂 )
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petermolnar a channel barely having conversations is never welcoming. it's also hiding the real depth of the community. An off topic channel, sure, the stream is get, but the rest, i disagreed from the start.
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petermolnar * i get
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gRegor Good morning, indieweb. IndieWebCamp San Diego is getting started https://events.indieweb.org/2024/12/indiewebcamp-san-diego-2024-7C9aq9A4Zv9m
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gRegor We'll be taking some notes in #indieweb-events and in the etherpad linked there, and on /2024/SD/Schedule
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gRegor Schedule is approximate, but we'll probably do intros about 11am Pacific
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gRegor Interesting ephemeral post social media idea: https://nnnnnnnn.co/izzzzi.html
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Halian Hey
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GWG Just noticed when I set up tracking on my new phone, I inverted latitude and longitude, so I've been in Antarctica since Sunday
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[tantek] hey Halian, what are you making on your personal site today?
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Halian I haven't yet set up a personal site ;w;
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Halian ;_;*
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Halian Problem is I'm not very interesting, so it'd likely just be a link to my main conworld, the Safìr Alliance, as well as a “coming soon™” spot to link to my other world, the Hoennverse
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GWG My goal is to be more interesting in 2025
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[morganm] Organizing any kind of online community is hard and this org is trying to combine being welcoming to completely new people to having their own websites with also experienced technical discussion about web stuff. It's hard to pull off and is a constant labor and should be optimized. Normal to get a little burned out just something to nurture
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Kolev I finally figured out how to log into the wiki. Now I need to figure out how to post notes to website, Bluesky, and Mastodon.
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[tantek] Kolev++ nicely done!
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[Joe_Crawford] Kolev++ yes 💯
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[tantek] [morganm] that's a good summary explanation of why we have #indieweb (welcoming to completely new people to having their own websites) and #indieweb-dev (experienced technical discussion about web stuff). It is literally too "hard to pull off" and requires much more "constant labor" to mix it all up and stay welcoming and not getting even "a little burned out". I may cite that dichotomy when I write another post on this. can chat more about
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[tantek] "Organizing … online community" -> #indieweb-meta
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[tantek] We are discussing venue recommendations and sharing lists thereof with friends in the main room at IWC SD
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aaronpk RIP foursquare
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[capjamesg] [Paul_Robert_Ll] I appreciated reading https://paulrobertlloyd.com/2019/036/a1/look_around_you/
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[capjamesg] I would argue this applies to software development too.