#indieweb 2025-01-07
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capjamesg[d] What is chatnames?
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Loqi The chat names page has a list of chat regulars sorted by nickname with their website and usual timezone(s), and is used for icons next to nicknames in IndieWeb chat logs https://indieweb.org/chatnames
# capjamesg[d] I think you need to add your name to that list ^^
# capjamesg[d] I'm not 100% sure though.
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vinceaggrippino 👋 Hey everyone, I'm Vince.
# vinceaggrippino I'm American, from New York, but I live in Malaysia.
# vinceaggrippino I used to do some web development work, but it's been quite a while. There aren't any employment opportunities for me, but I still like talking about programming. On Mastodon, I saw someone mention an upcoming Homebrew Website Club meetup and I thought I'd check it out.
# vinceaggrippino </introduction>
# capjamesg[d] Welcome!
# capjamesg[d] Do you have a personal website?
# vinceaggrippino capjamesg[d]: Thank you! I have a GitHub Pages site, but it's nothing impressive. Honestly, I've been neglecting it. But I've been thinking about putting some effort into making it a decent site. The current iteration is built with 11ty: https://vaggrippino.github.io
# vinceaggrippino edmael[d]: Thanks, Ed. Right now I'm trying to understand / figure out how to code the RSVP thing for the upcoming Homebrew Website Club. It's optional, but it looks interesting. This is probably a question for the -dev channel, but I'm gonna do a little more reading before I ask 😁
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edmael I guess you've already checked here, right: https://events.indieweb.org/
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# vinceaggrippino edmael[d]: Ya, that's how I got here. The links for the RSVP / webmentions thing are kinda circular. The instructions are mostly targeted at people who are using packaged CMSs like WordPress or Ghost, but my site is (mostly) hand-coded. I saw something about "h-entry" and "p-rsvp", but the examples don't show much more than CSS class names. I think I saw Microformats mentioned. I just need to stop skimming and read it properl
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# edmael Ahahaha yeah, I get it! Start from here: https://indiewebify.me/ and when you get to webmentions try these: https://webmention.io https://brid.gy (at least this is what I did the past few days and now I have the webmentions somehow working :D).
# edmael Bad informations? That was like the crash course 😄 The other starting point I had was this: https://www.joelotter.com/posts/2023/03/indieweb/
# vinceaggrippino edmael[d]: Thank you! I think that's what I'm looking for.
# edmael [edit] Bad informations? That was like the crash course 😄 The other starting point I had was this: https://www.joelotter.com/posts/2023/03/indieweb/
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# [Joe_Crawford] Cloud based calendars and email archives. But yes, it's hard. I have a barcamp type event that took place in Arlington VA in like... 2010 or 2011 -- and I can't find any evidence of it in my email anywhere. I thnk maybe it took place in the offices of Palantir. It's vexing I can't find evidence of it.
# [Joe_Crawford] Also, edmael, vinceaggrippino, welcome aboard! You're in the right place!
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# [Joe_Crawford] It was a last minute decision to check it out. I was visiting my sister. Thus, no RSVP i think. And at the time I was unaware of what Palantir, the company, was. And only vaguely aware of what the word meant.
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# carrvo[d] I've thought it nice before to see a history of events/meetings before, but the implementations I have worked with (Google and Microsoft) have steered me away. Too much post-editing and too many people reusing the same meeting by moving it to the future.
# carrvo[d] And the most painful are meeting series. Somehow editing the future events requires editing past events...
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petermolnar https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-anthropic-ai-ignore-rule-scraping-web-contect-robotstxt - yeah. I was wondering why my server load suddenly started alerting. Self hosted git (forgejo) and a*hole AI scrapers are not a great combination.
# petermolnar well, now one more thing gets "I'm a teapot" response from my system.
# petermolnar the benefits of running a very low power home server is that I notice scrapers
# capjamesg[d] petermolnar I have seen quite a few mentions of this issue recently.
# capjamesg[d] I checked my logs but didn't have many requests. I nevertheless now send 404s to those and many other bots for every page on my site.
# capjamesg[d] I'm hoping that a 404 means they won't try with another user-agent.
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# petermolnar hence my "418 I'm a teapot"
# petermolnar daily 13k hit from ClaudeBot every 2-3 days
# capjamesg[d] Wow.
# capjamesg[d] I got 57 from Claudebot today.
# capjamesg[d] You can look for "ClaudeBot/1.0; +claudebot@anthropic.com" for Claude.
# capjamesg[d] OpenAI identifies too.
# capjamesg[d] OpenAI docs: https://openai.com/bot
# Loqi robots.txt is a file used to inform web crawlers what parts of a site should or should not be crawled https://indieweb.org/robots_txt
# capjamesg[d] Having fun with typography ✨
# rdg [tantek]: why not just use a search engine?
# rdg [tantek]: if you feed AI (well I'm guessing LLM) with your posts you allow people to get "some" content via LLMs rather than just finding your site
# petermolnar my posts are not public domain. when the ai summary doesn't show attribution - and usually it doesn't - it's violating CC.
# rdg [tantek]: you can also choose other search engines
# capjamesg[d] petermolnar SearchGPT does link to sites.
# petermolnar if i could tell them to scrape text only, i might even be ok with it, but my photos are off limits for ai
# capjamesg[d] (This is in "Search" mode, which is generally available but doesn't always trigger unless you explicitly use search mode.)
# capjamesg[d] All of those light grey names link to the source.
# capjamesg[d] There is also a "Sources" link at the bottom which links to sources:
# capjamesg[d] ChatGPT does sometimes automatically consult its search system. This is indicated by a message that says it is searching the web. I'm not sure how they determine when to automatically query the search system.
# rdg [tantek]: not choosing, but hopefully incentivizing them to try others
# rdg building a search index over posts or other static content has a computational cost much lower than training a full LLM over the whole web
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# rdg you don't think that relying on LLM/AI summaries goes against the ideas in POSSE? https://indieweb.org/POSSE
# rdg AFAIK LLMs may not link back to your site, they can just present information from your site keeping the user from visiting it, so I don't think I can agree with that view
# carrvo[d] I'm guessing that AI would get your content out, but comes with the risk of missing attribution (linking, license violations).
# carrvo[d] I recently discovered that Google's search engine AI results have links added these days (yay!). But I remain pretty skeptical.
# khrome Anyone around here doing unified client+server buildless ESM?
# carrvo[d] Interesting comparison.
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# trinsic_paridiom Hi I am new here I found out about this community from a hacker news [post](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42581119). I am an information technology consultant who provides various technical solutions to the public. I consider myself an autonomous individual who believes strongly in independent free will and open concepts that grow humanity towards sustainability from a deontological perspective, and then from a utilit
# trinsic_paridiom [edit] Hi I am new here I found out about this community from a hacker news [post](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42581119). I am an information technology consultant who provides various technical solutions to the public. I consider myself an autonomous individual who believes strongly in independent free will and open concepts that grow humanity towards sustainability from a deontological perspective, and then from a
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# trinsic_paridiom I'm looking to get some advice on preserving my website content.