#indieweb 2025-01-28

2025-01-28 UTC
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[tantek] speaking of "email comments" and various approaches / designs, check out the giant "Reply by email" button at the bottom of kevquirk's posts, e.g. https://kevquirk.com/blog/blog-questions-challenge
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gRegor Yeah I've seen that pattern on a few sites
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Loqi gRegor: btrem left you a message 5 days, 22 hours ago: Do you want to try out a test of a webmention with an x-acknowledge property?
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kimberlyhirsh There's a Reply by email plugin for Micro.blpg. I kind of want to style my button bigger now.
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gRegor kimberlyhirsh, scrollback: if you're comfortable with a little bit of coding, I've found /ProcessWire to be really flexible for a variety of types of sites, not just blogs. Might be a decent middle ground.
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gRegor Happy to answer questions in dev chat
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carrvo[d] gRegor++ that does seem interesting, if I ever move from hand-written static site to CMS!
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Loqi gRegor has 11 karma in this channel over the last year (122 in all channels)
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carrvo[d] Or add side-by-side.
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "The open web as gift economy (Part 4)" https://tracydurnell.com/2025/01/27/the-open-web-as-gift-economy-part-4/
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[tantek] tracydurnell++
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Loqi tracydurnell has 4 karma in this channel over the last year (8 in all channels)
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bossy what email provider do people use?
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pmlnr I run my own mail server
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doesnm yandex and selfhost
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[tantek] what is an email provider
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Loqi email hosting is a service for receiving and sending email on the internet https://indieweb.org/email_provider
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[tantek] bossy, more answers there! ^
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[qubyte] I use fastmail with my own domain. No complaints.
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doesnm did you use JMAP?
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bossy Got gmail but want rid of it. Using it for years you end up being reliant on in, sign in with Google etc.
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bossy Was thinking of using tuta
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tranq im gonna set up migadu for mail, they pretty transparent and i like that. i hear selfhosted can have you end up in spam folder more likely
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bossy I have a synology nas I use for hosting some stuff but only locally, I use Tailscale with it
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bossy Is
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bossy Oops. Migadu looks interesting
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kimberlyhirsh Thanks gRegor++ carrvo++ and btrem++!
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carrvo[d] sys$manager
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carrvo[d] Sorry about that message, wrong keyboard!
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[tantek] [Joe_Crawford]++ that owning your bookmarks 20y article is super-inspiring with every read: https://artlung.com/blog/2024/10/31/owning-my-own-bookmarks-over-20-years/
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Loqi [Joe_Crawford] has 43 karma in this channel over the last year (124 in all channels)
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[tantek] oyd << own your bookmarks! 20y worth of bookmarks owned by {{artlung}}: https://artlung.com/blog/2024/10/31/owning-my-own-bookmarks-over-20-years/
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Loqi ok, I added "own your bookmarks! 20y worth of bookmarks owned by {{artlung}}: https://artlung.com/blog/2024/10/31/owning-my-own-bookmarks-over-20-years/" to the "See Also" section of /own_your_data https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=99730&oldid=99374
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[Joe_Crawford] I like that one too. Thanks [tantek].
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btrem I have to admit that I don't understand "own your bookmarks." My bookmarks are in a file under my Firefox directory. So don't I already own them?
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[tantek] btrem, do you use a single Firefox profile on one device or sync'd across devices and no other browsers with bookmarks? then yes. otherwise, part of the point of ownership is actually knowing where your stuff is and mantaining some sense of control over it, rather than have them spread around lots of apps, devices, services etc.
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btrem Ah. Yes, I see. I generally use Firefox, and sync bookmarks via a Firefox account. I assume though that I still have a full copy on my pc somewhere. But I suppose I haven't really investigated.
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gRegor Sending them to Internet Archive automatically can be a nice bonus when you're posting them on your site
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gRegor Maybe there's a browser extension that could do that, though
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[tantek] yeah each copy of Firefox you are running sync'd via your Firefox account should have a full copy of your bookmarks locally on your PC, so you REALLY own your bookmarks because even if you lost all but one of your devices, you would still have your bookmarks
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[tantek] agreed gRegor
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btrem And though I rarely use other browsers, if I do, I avoid creating bookmarks because they won't be in my FF account.
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[tantek] yeah that's a workable strategy
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btrem I suppose there's a page for own your bookmarks on the wiki.
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btrem What is own your bookmarks?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "own your bookmarks" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "own your bookmarks is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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btrem What are bookmarks?
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Loqi bookmarks are sometimes part of the information about a post displayed on the post itself, sometimes in a post footer, like a total number bookmark responses, icons of recent bookmarkers, or even a datetime ordered list of bookmarks https://indieweb.org/bookmarks
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[tantek] gRegor, I like the potential of a hybrid approach between what [Joe_Crawford] has done (the list of bookmarks itself is private) and choosing to send their links to the Internet Archive, hopefully as of when you bookmarked them
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carrvo[d] [Joe_Crawford]++ I currently email my bookmarks to myself (and now your post ironically joins the pile)! It is, like, the only reason I get an email each month. I'm hoping to migrate it to my setup sometime. Thanks for bringing this to the forefront [tantek]++
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gRegor Agreed. I want to do something like that with my /Pinboard bookmarks eventually
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[tantek] btrem, not a lot of folks have successfully owned their bookmarks (ironically) so we're missing a page. I could stub one. I started with expanding /oyd
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btrem I can't imagine there's a standard format for bookmarks.
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[tantek] btrem, well, there's at least two 😂
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btrem !standards
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Loqi http://xkcd.com/927/ http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png
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btrem Sorry, couldn't resist.
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[tantek] read [Joe_Crawford]'s post to the bottom for the "original" bookmarks format "standard" 😄
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[tantek] then there's an h-feed of h-entry with u-bookmark-of
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[tantek] oops sorry, wrong channel for format talk, I'll take it to #indieweb-dev
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btrem Two standards?! That's ridiculous. We need *one* standard to cover all use cases! :-D
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carrvo[d] I'm thinking, for a future setup, to convert bookmarks into a page then webmention various tag pages to organize them.
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btrem Oh, I forgot that bookmarks were in a quasi html file! Showing my age, but that brings back memories.
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btrem So own your bookmarks is for people that use e.g., del.ici.us. I've never used that service. I haven't really used many services like that. I was on FB once, didn't like it, abandoned it. (I still have the account, I think, but I haven't logged in *years*.)
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btrem And a Twitter account that I made exactly one post (sorry, /tweet/) on, then abandoned that service, too.
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sebbu I remember using del.icio.us like 20 years ago
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[tantek] I think own your bookmarks is for anyone who has ever saved or created a bookmark 🙂
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