#indieweb 2025-03-23

2025-03-23 UTC
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trwnh bit of an oddball question, but does anyone have any experience with finding pages ridiculously easier to maintain than entries/posts? as a "webmaster" i often find myself with limited energy and unsure how to handle the admin overhead of even basic content management. surely i'm not alone? perhaps some methodology or discipline could help, but i'm not sure where to find resources for this kind of thing
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[tantek] trwnh, definitely. the less you have to "think" about maintaining something, whether a page or a post, the easier
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[tantek] I basically maintain a storage "page" for my posts, that's how I solved that problem
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[tantek] (one "storage" page per 61 day period)
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[tantek] can chat more about how it works in #indieweb-dev
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Lars-Christian @trwnh I'm not sure I understand the distinction. What is it that makes a page easier to maintain than a post or other entry?
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Lars-Christian Are you talking about just updating a single page with new content versus creating new posts?
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trwnh Lars-Christian: yeah mostly, every permalink feels like a commitment and another content file and a build step or running a dynamic server component... rather than just creating a single file more or less.
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trwnh it's kind of like single-page website vs multi-page website, but i've already talked myself into accepting the extra maintenance load of multiple pages
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trwnh i just haven't talked myself into having "posts" or "entries" yet because the burden feels too great in managing them, and that may be in my head, but it is a real burden to me
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trwnh distinction being that pages are name-based and entries are datetime-based... loosely. i haven't gotten a content model or taxonomy fully worked out yet but i do want to probably at least publish articles or essays for bigger stuff
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trwnh thoughts are feeling too fragmented right now to give everything its own name. playing around with a /thoughts page that might loosely map to a feed, but the entries don't have their own permalinks, and they are sorted more by category than by publish date
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[Jo] my entries are also name based so i dont have this problem. of course if i have two entries by the same name it falls back on adding numbers which is less easy to maintain but i make sure this doesnt happen
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doesnm saved!
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[qubyte] Oh, nice.
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zachary.kai I watched What's Up Doc and posted about it! In my DIY 'microblog.' https://zacharykai.net/jots#whatsupdoc-imc
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zachary.kai [edit] I watched What's Up Doc and posted about it! In my DIY 'microblog.' https://zacharykai.net/jots#whatsupdoc-imc
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zachary.kai [edit] I watched What's Up Doc and posted about it! In my DIY 'microblog.' https://zacharykai.net/jots#whatsupdoc-imc
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Loqi [preview] [Zachary Kai] Finally watched What's Up Doc, this month's pick for the IndieWeb Movie Club, chosen by Joe Crawford. Described as a romantic screwball comedy when I looked it up... Exactly has written. The best way to go into this film is knowing nothing about it e...
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Lars-Christian @trwnh Interesting. I hadn't thought about that at all. I suppose it depends on whatever your process for updating your website looks like.
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Lars-Christian If it's fairly manual I definitely see how that could become a thing
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Signs of a growing distrust of US web platforms" https://www.lazaruscorporation.co.uk/blogs/artists-notebook/posts/signs-of-a-growing-distrust-of-us-web-platforms
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trwnh the workflow is part of it but the real hard part is naming things
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Lars-Christian I think you take naming more seriously than I do ^_^
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trwnh maybe? probably? it matters because i want my links to stay accessible for more than a few weeks or months
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trwnh so i can't be constantly redoing uri design, i need to find a system or paradigm i can follow and not think about too much
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trwnh i'm aware of https://indieweb.org/URL_design but not sure how much of it is useful to me personally, i think the real problem is that i suffer from disorganized thinking more and more due to schizophrenia. so i'm trying to frontload as much thought as possible
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[tantek] trwnh I sympathize with that especially with the URL design and wanting to front load as much as possible
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[tantek] At least you didn't (don't) have to invent a new calendaring system before you come up with your URL / path design 🙈
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trwnh yup lol
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trwnh i'm trying to start with basics / foundational stuff and build bottom-up with principles based on what works, because a lot of what i see tends to be very framework-centric or app-centric and i don't want to lock myself in unnecessarily. so it's almost like a local-first website
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trwnh single page html file is as simple as you can get, then on top of that i'm ok with managing a few more pages, then i'm trying to see how much functionality i can gain for as little effort as possible
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[tantek] Great approach
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[tantek] Strongly agreed with zero frameworks, zero apps, especially as a design principle for a sustainable system. Ok to build them for convenience but never let them drive the design of your site
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Lars-Christian Yeah my approach is far more lackadaisical. Really appreciate people who put more thought into it like you do.
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[dave] The most sustainable approach is zero website.
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[artlung] Dave you have not to my recollection been on the HWC calls when I've deployed my handmade trollface sign but I am holding up vociferously right now.
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skrlet13 hello! nice to meet you (I thought this chat was going to ask for indieauth)
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