#indieweb 2025-03-27

2025-03-27 UTC
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GWG aaronpk: What would you consider Flickr functionality on your website?
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GWG Or rather, what about Flickr specifically?
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aaronpk Organizing photos into albums, and being able to quickly manage the contents of the albums, including choosing sort order and such
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aaronpk plus tags, location, description, and camera metadata
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aaronpk that last part I have pretty well under control, it's mainly the album functionality that's missing from my site
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xue Yo, i'm new to making websites, but i was wondering: Can you put something in html code that would be visible for AI crawler but not in rendered website? Random garbage words between real content?
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xue something like max-height in css put between words in article
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xue *max-height: 0
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[Jo] yeah sure but i think the difficulty here would be how to make your website still accessible to people that rely on much the same technology as AI crawlers to understand the content. i'm talking screenreaders rn
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sknebel yeah, thats the problem with pretty much all these techniques, if a screenreader can figure it out then so can a slightly-competent crawler
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[snarfed] relevant and recent, https://blog.cloudflare.com/ai-labyrinth/
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Loqi Front End Study Hall #024 is starting soon! Join us! https://events.indieweb.org/j8dtucnWT7Iz
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[artlung] ^ started now
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capjamesg[d] Join us ^^
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bkardell is thre a channel for the study hall itself?
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bkardell like a place to irc chat?
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bkardell bc the zoom seems to have chat disabled
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[Jo] we take notes in a separate document that then gets put on the wiki after the meeting
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[Jo] https://etherpad.indieweb.org/2025-03-27-front-end-study-hall this is where the notes live
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capjamesg[d] ^^
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[tantek] bkardell, on a meta-level, note how much better the meetings/meetups here than W3C are for more accessible chat to more people (Slack, Discord, IRC bridged and archived), and easier/better collaboration (Etherpad), and subsequent community archival & editing (Etherpad archived to a wiki page).
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bkardell ok :)
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bkardell I didn't know any of that fwiw
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gRegor what is discuss
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Loqi 💬 Join #indieweb discussions via Discord, Slack, web chat, or IRC, (they are all bridged!) with focused channels for developers, WordPress, and meta topics! https://indieweb.org/discuss
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gRegor There's an events channel you can chat in too, though not everyone on the meeting may be in there
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[tantek] bkardell, the event link that Loqi posted that you responded to has a direct link to the Etherpad
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[tantek] in the summary at the top, with bold heading "✏️ Notes"
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[tantek] further down on that same event permalink, in the heading "Discussion and Notes" it says "Join the #indieweb chat to discuss and ask any questions. Chat is available from the web, IRC, Slack, or Discord." where the "Join ..." phrase is hyperlinked accordingly
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xue sknebel: [Jo] i am asking is there an HTML tag like that, that you could only see in straight code
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[tantek] suggestions for how to make "any of that" more discoverable are welcome bkardell!
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xue like good old trick of going \t over text and replacing it after with a space
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xue The point is not to make it unbreakable for skilled programmer to fix it, the point it to feed AI garbage
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[Jo] there is display:none
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[Jo] i guess
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xue i really don't know html well, i come from the different background
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xue that's why i ask
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bkardell > bkardell, the event link that Loqi posted that you responded to
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bkardell wat?
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bkardell lol I don't know what you're saying
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bkardell ohh I see - not responded to just used I guess you meant - but actually I got it from eric
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[Jo] no worris xue! it's a bit of a difficult thing to do once you get into how AI scrapers and screenreaders work. but if you are only worried about the visuals its relatively easy.
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[tantek] bkardell, ah my bad, I see now from the logs that you joined after Loqi posted the link, even though from here in Slack it looked like you responded merely a few messages after Loqi: https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-03-27#t1743097802331000
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bkardell hmm, I am trying to join on irc but i'm making a lot of mistakes I guess
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bkardell on freenode, nope - on libera.chat, it seems I'm the only one there and I don't see my messages showing here
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gRegor yeah we're on libera.chat
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bkardell ehhh
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gRegor Did you find a page referencing freenode on the wiki? We can update that.
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bkardell no I just tried it :)
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bkardell there were some people there fwiw, but I see none in #indieweb on libera.chat
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bkardell other than me
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gRegor Odd. I'm typing to you from #indieweb on libera :)
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bkardell I also am having trouble with slack so yay
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Loqi :D
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bkardell I'll stick with this :)
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bkardell https://bkardell.com/effects-of-nuclear-math/html/
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bkardell that one has mathml :)
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bkardell I am obligated to say
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bkardell (there is an active pull request)
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bkardell mobilefireball.com
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bkardell (as a suggestion)
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bkardell is missing my irccloud interface
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capjamesg[d] [artlung]++ for hosting Front End Study Hall!
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capjamesg[d] I learned a lot!
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[Jo] [artlung]++
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Zegnat bkardell, more mathml: https://vanderven.se/martijn/8675
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bkardell Zegnat: 🥳
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gregsarjeant capjamesg[d] I finally finished my Edinburgh travel post. Writing it made me want to turn around and go back. :) https://subcultureofone.org/2025/03/22/a-tourist-in-edinburgh/
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gregsarjeant Hm, maybe I need to do something about that giant image on discord.