#indieweb 2025-04-11

2025-04-11 UTC
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netrider hi
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netrider hello
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netrider anyone?
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confusedalex hi netrider
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augustmurka uhh, hello?
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jeremycherfas Hello
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shbst hi2u
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capjamesg Hi!
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jeremycherfas What brings you here?
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capjamesg Welcome 👋
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augustmurka Oh I just got recommended a video about indieweb, and, before watching it, I decided to google what is it
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augustmurka which brought me to the website
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augustmurka which brought me here
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capjamesg Do you have a personal website?
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augustmurka no, I don't think so
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jeremycherfas That's a pretty good reason. :)
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augustmurka I'm not sure I understand how it all works even
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augustmurka I'm not too smart in things related to computers, I'm not going to lie
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[tantek] cool! which video?
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augustmurka https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yko-LMBrRQw
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augustmurka [edit] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yko-LMBrRQw
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augustmurka this one? I haven't watched it yet soon
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augustmurka [edit] this one? I haven't watched it yet though
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augustmurka I just got curious
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capjamesg This video looks so cool!
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capjamesg Thanks for sharing!
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capjamesg You may appreciate https://neocities.org/. There is a big community of creative personal websites to explore on there.
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capjamesg [edit] You may appreciate https://neocities.org/. There is a big community of creative personal websites to explore on there.
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capjamesg The essence of the indie web is using your personal website to express yourself online, whatever that means for you.
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capjamesg Whether that is blogging, designing web pages, sharing pixel art -- whatever you want to do!
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augustmurka I suppose there isn't any network to those websites, is there?
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augustmurka like how, uhm, the social media accs are connected in a network
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augustmurka those need to be found individually?
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augustmurka I'm not sure I understand how that part works
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capjamesg The web is the network!
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capjamesg They do sort of need to be found, but there are lots of sites out there that list personal sites to explore.
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[Murray] I think Neocities has some level of network discovery available too, but lots of those sites will belong to things like webrings and will post blog rolls, which operate in a similar way
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capjamesg Neocities is one. https://blogroll.org/ is another.
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capjamesg [edit] Neocities is one. https://blogroll.org/ is another.
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shbst hmmm, that video brings up an interesting point; how people like reading about pages but people don't like writing them.
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augustmurka I think I'm just not old enough to remember "personal blogs" or they just went pass me somehow, I'm sorry, I feel so embarrassed
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shbst augustmurka: yeah basically. There's no social graph by default. Normally you'd broadcast your website in a email sig or link to via profiles on other websites
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augustmurka capjamesg[d]: oooh so it recommends certain blogs?
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capjamesg That's okay! Everyone has different experiences of the web!
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capjamesg augustmurka[d]: Yeah! It's run by the person who does the People and Blogs series at https://peopleandblogs.com
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capjamesg [edit] augustmurka[d]: Yeah! It's run by the person who does the People and Blogs series at https://peopleandblogs.com
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capjamesg That's another site to find cool websites ^
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augustmurka Also I'm not really sure, but, I suppose owning a website comes with some sort of fee to keep it running?
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shbst you can do it for free these days.
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capjamesg It can cost money depending on how you run your website. A lot of people use Neocities because it has a good free plan that lets you host lots of pages.
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[Murray] Neocities has a free tier, for instance 🙂
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shbst you can get a domain name from somewhere like afraid.org
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capjamesg Neocities will give you a site like yourusernamehere.neocities.org that you can share with people.
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shbst and host it via github.
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shbst there's too many possibilities to list
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augustmurka https://tenor.com/view/uehara-himari-bang-dream-bandori-anime-dizzy-gif-25147627
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augustmurka oh hell I should've got a bit more sleep today
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augustmurka my brain is so slow
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augustmurka So you create an account on neocites and it gives you an opportunity to write a code for your website? But with some sort of features only available to paying members&
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augustmurka [edit] So you create an account on neocites and it gives you an opportunity to write a code for your website? But with some sort of features only available to paying members?
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augustmurka [edit] So you create an account on neocities and it gives you an opportunity to write a code for your website? But with some sort of features only available to paying members?
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capjamesg Haha no worries. I could have used some more sleep too 😂
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capjamesg Exactly. You can write code for your website and host it on the web for free, and some features are paid if you want them.
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jeremycherfas I got plenty of sleep last night, but my braincase still feels like it is full of marbles today.
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augustmurka I've never really been smart with computers, a life with a programmer in my family has successfully sheltered me from any interactions beyond scrolling through youtube
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augustmurka jeremycherfas: I feel you
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augustmurka capjamesg[d]: and what is indie web then? does it provide same things as neocities or something like that?
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capjamesg Neocities is one place to make web sites. But the indie web is the idea that anyone should be able to make a website that's their own home on the web.
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capjamesg Some people here, for example, use WordPress to run their site; others made theirs all by hand.
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augustmurka so its like a project that shares information about those different places where you can build yourself a website?
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capjamesg The indie web is for the idea that you shouldn't need to rely on social media, etc. You can make your own home on the web that's not controlled by a big company.
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capjamesg augustmurka[d]: Yeah! And a place where people chat about websites too.
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augustmurka I've got really tired from social networks and I don't really have anything except for youtube (I really love long live inspo videos where people go through their day) and instagram (to be in touch with what people I know are up to)
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[Murray] there are also frequent events run by the community ‒ both online and IRL ‒ where you can get help with web stuff
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augustmurka I deleted tiktok about a month ago or so and I feel super happy about that
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capjamesg I got tired from social media too. That's one of the big reasons I have a website!
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capjamesg I like that there's community around websites without the pressure to like/subscribe/post all the time.
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augustmurka [Murray]: yeah I think I will need that because I am a really slow learner and don't know anything about coding at all, total, most ultimate zero
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augustmurka capjamesg[d]: yeah it feels terrifying
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augustmurka that's one of the reasons I don't join discord servers most of the time too because it feels like if you don't write there for extended amount of time a lot of messages will pile up and people will forget you existed
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[Murray] yeah, we're missing some really "simple" ways to get into web coding these days. Back when I started, lots of the social stuff online was forums, blog platforms like Blogger, and the first social sites like MySpace. And almost all of them had easy initial set up, and then you could customise them a little with web coding
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capjamesg You might like https://htmlforpeople.com/zero-to-internet-your-first-website/ as a tutorial to learn HTML, the coding language used to make websites.
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capjamesg [edit] You might like https://htmlforpeople.com/zero-to-internet-your-first-website/ as a tutorial to learn HTML, the coding language used to make websites.
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[Murray] I guess Tumblr is still that to some degree, and sites like Neocities help, but it does feel like a steeper learning curve these days
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capjamesg That tutorial also shows off a bit of Neocities so you'll both learn how to make a website and put it on the web.
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augustmurka [Murray]: omg yeeesss! I used to have a customized tumblr when I was like.. urgh, 13? I don't even know how I did that
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augustmurka the same way as I used to make attempts to create my visual novel when I was like 10 or so, but that was through renpy, so there wasn't much "coding"
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augustmurka capjamesg[d]: I'll check this out right now!
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augustmurka oh yes, I will definitely check that out later, I see its like a full beginner guide?
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augustmurka I'm saving that up because I have somewhere to be soon
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capjamesg augustmurka[d]: Yep!
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capjamesg If you need help at any point feel free to post here!
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augustmurka thank you very much! <3
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augustmurka oh!!!!! And I have a little server, I was wondering if I could post a link there so that people can come here if they have any personal website-related questions
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augustmurka or would that not be thoughtful? I'm not sure
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[Murray] I'd say that's probably fine; feel free to link to parts of the Wiki, as well
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[Murray] oh and if people are looking for help with more technical problems, there's a #indieweb-dev channel which can be a bit more helpful (as well as dedicated channel for #indieweb-wordpress)
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capjamesg Yes, please feel free to share the community with others!
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[KevinMarks] And Blogger is still there and still free until you need a domain
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