#indieweb 2025-07-11

2025-07-11 UTC
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cophee I liked micro.blog but monthly payment makes it hard to recommend for new people ):
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cophee @[snarfed]
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cophee even if it's cheap
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[snarfed] normalize paying for services!
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[artlung] 100% services that are good ought to be paid for, and if you can't recommend it you can't recommend it. but also gifting accounts are a nice option for some services. and payment plans on an annual basis can mitigate things. and some services provide lifetime or other models.
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[artlung] snarfed++ normalize paying for services that have value.
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Loqi snarfed has 29 karma in this channel over the last year (74 in all channels)
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[artlung] I recommended http://micro.blog and a few other services to my brother in law just a few weeks ago. he's been traveling but I hope he kicks the tires on services and finds a match.
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[tantek] People pay 10x for mobile phones, they can afford http://micro.blog
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veqq Good luck to you and your brother!
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[mattl] I do wonder about pricing in other countries/economies. Steam prices games differently per region but those purchases are tied to the account.
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "RSS is (not) dead (yet)" https://audmcname.com/comics/rss-is-not-dead-yet/ (from https://beesbuzz.biz/blog/chatter/12630-RSS-is-not-dead-yet)
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doesnm [tantek]: are you rent your phone?
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[tantek] doesnm, typical smartphone service costs >10x more annually than a domain + http://micro.blog
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doesnm or, you mean isp costs
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doesnm domain costs are per-year so it might incorrectly to compare
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doesnm but yeah, isp costs are higher that micro.blog plan
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.pi.r2. @doesm I think just the annualized cost of the hardware? $60/yr would be equivalent $300 every 5 years, most people spend more on their smartphone purchases
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[KevinMarks] Bsky is doing age verification for the UK https://bsky.social/about/blog/07-10-2025-age-assurance
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jak2k Yes, people are paying a lot more for their phones. But the competition (Instagram, X, Bluesky, Mastodon, Bearblog, Wordpress.com) are all free in their simplest plan. I cannot tell my friends to pay for a social media without people they know. They don't even want to use Mastodon, which is free!
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doesnm "mastodon is too hard"
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perryflynn I am part of a group which is unable to use a online forum. on a regular basis I have to exmplain how threads/answers working and I have to reset passwords.
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osteophage doesnm: Difficulty is frankly the least of the problems with Mastodon.
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doesnm huh?
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[artlung] free tiers have significant downsides.
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[artlung] _"I cannot tell my friends to pay for a social media without people they know."_ ~ no of course not. We must always make recommendations we consider reasonable. But expecting every internet service to have a free tier is unreasonable. If it were a civic (read: government) entity or non-profit entity a free tier can be part of their mission. But free services are monetizing somehow. And Instagram, X, the first 2 you cite despite having those
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doesnm btw: if you don't paid for service - service is you
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[mattl] i think that’s true if there are ads.
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[mattl] Cheapest iPhone is $600, cheapest cellphone service in the US is going to be around $200 a year.
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aaronpk It's not just about ads
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aaronpk tbh ads are the least offensive way to not be paying for a service
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doesnm very often way is selling data
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[tantek] used to be you could get along with a $200 (at most) iPod touch
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thegreekgeek Oh, those were the days lol.
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[social] I’ve been thinking of 88x31 badges and the intersection of travel stickers and laptop stickers (a magazine I have had a Rimowa ad with travel stickers).
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[social] Having a web canvas for blogs you travelled to or brought to your screens with larger format stickers.
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HI hi
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HI how can i change my name omg
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srazkvt with /nick
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.pi.r2. hi is a nice nick though 🙂
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doesnm yup
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doesnm register it!
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[social] hi is a very friendly nick
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srazkvt it is
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[mattl] if a service isn’t selling data, not using ads… what do you call that? a gift?
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[social] A 1998 web business model?
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[mattl] Sweet. http://Libre.fm was now canonically created before Google.
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doesnm [mattl]: maybe they sponsored or lived on donations
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doesnm service can't be exists without profit
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gRegor [social], kind of related, something I loved back in the day was /star.me since it basically gave you the whole screen to arrange the star stickers on and was fun to send them to others. I think about it every so often and what an indieweb version might look like.
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gRegor "Pieces of Flair" was another one before that, on FB
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[mattl] [doesnm] I beg to differ but I’ve run a service for 16 years.
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[aciccarello] I haven't thought about flair in a while
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[snarfed] same
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[snarfed] for profit companies, non-profits, and self-funded labors of love with no revenue all exist, and can work, in one form or another
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[snarfed] (but still, normalize paying for services 😎)
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[mattl] yeah, normalize paying for services with a paid option. normalize donating to others.
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capjamesg ^^
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[tantek] +1
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[social] [gRegorLove] I’m playing around with something I may create an lab page for one my site. I played with a 460px square “sticker”, which could be downscaled, but also rotated with CSS.
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[social] The site travel sticker inspiration - https://www.etsy.com/market/travel_stickers
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gRegor fun
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pallasfile does anyone know of indieweb sites that have a blog function that's also integrated into a substack? like if I cross-posted from my substack but also had the same function on a weblog
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[social] what is sticker
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Loqi A sticker is either a real life sticker for a project/band/place, or a photo reply (often a cartoon graphic chosen from a set) you send in direct messaging or add as a comment on some silos like Swarm https://indieweb.org/sticker
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[social] pallasfile, I believe WordPress has the capability to turn your blog into a newsletter when you publish (I saw this option in default WP setup when I moved a site into it at the end of last year).
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[social] I’ve run across people with that moved their blog to Substack, then restarted a blog and would cross post. I’m trying to remember which went the POSSE route and their blog just syndicates out to Substack so they own all of their content and are in control of it.
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gRegor what is substack
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Loqi Substack is a silo for publishing blog posts with a newsletter feature that allows authors to charge for subscriptions https://indieweb.org/Substack
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