#indieweb 2025-07-11

2025-07-11 UTC
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cophee
I liked micro.blog but monthly payment makes it hard to recommend for new people ):
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cophee
@[snarfed]
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cophee
even if it's cheap
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[snarfed]
normalize paying for services!
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[artlung]
100% services that are good ought to be paid for, and if you can't recommend it you can't recommend it. but also gifting accounts are a nice option for some services. and payment plans on an annual basis can mitigate things. and some services provide lifetime or other models.
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[artlung]
snarfed++ normalize paying for services that have value.
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Loqi
snarfed has 29 karma in this channel over the last year (74 in all channels)
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[artlung]
I recommended http://micro.blog and a few other services to my brother in law just a few weeks ago. he's been traveling but I hope he kicks the tires on services and finds a match.
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[tantek]
People pay 10x for mobile phones, they can afford http://micro.blog
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veqq
Good luck to you and your brother!
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[mattl]
I do wonder about pricing in other countries/economies. Steam prices games differently per region but those purchases are tied to the account.
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doesnm
[tantek]: are you rent your phone?
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[tantek]
doesnm, typical smartphone service costs >10x more annually than a domain + http://micro.blog
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doesnm
or, you mean isp costs
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doesnm
domain costs are per-year so it might incorrectly to compare
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doesnm
but yeah, isp costs are higher that micro.blog plan
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.pi.r2.
@doesm I think just the annualized cost of the hardware? $60/yr would be equivalent $300 every 5 years, most people spend more on their smartphone purchases
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jak2k
Yes, people are paying a lot more for their phones. But the competition (Instagram, X, Bluesky, Mastodon, Bearblog, Wordpress.com) are all free in their simplest plan. I cannot tell my friends to pay for a social media without people they know. They don't even want to use Mastodon, which is free!
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doesnm
"mastodon is too hard"
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perryflynn
I am part of a group which is unable to use a online forum. on a regular basis I have to exmplain how threads/answers working and I have to reset passwords.
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osteophage
doesnm: Difficulty is frankly the least of the problems with Mastodon.
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[artlung]
free tiers have significant downsides.
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[artlung]
_"I cannot tell my friends to pay for a social media without people they know."_ ~ no of course not. We must always make recommendations we consider reasonable. But expecting every internet service to have a free tier is unreasonable. If it were a civic (read: government) entity or non-profit entity a free tier can be part of their mission. But free services are monetizing somehow. And Instagram, X, the first 2 you cite despite having those
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doesnm
btw: if you don't paid for service - service is you
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[mattl]
i think that’s true if there are ads.
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[mattl]
Cheapest iPhone is $600, cheapest cellphone service in the US is going to be around $200 a year.
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aaronpk
It's not just about ads
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aaronpk
tbh ads are the least offensive way to not be paying for a service
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doesnm
very often way is selling data
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[tantek]
used to be you could get along with a $200 (at most) iPod touch
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thegreekgeek
Oh, those were the days lol.
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[social]
I’ve been thinking of 88x31 badges and the intersection of travel stickers and laptop stickers (a magazine I have had a Rimowa ad with travel stickers).
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[social]
Having a web canvas for blogs you travelled to or brought to your screens with larger format stickers.
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HI
hi
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HI
how can i change my name omg
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srazkvt
with /nick
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.pi.r2.
hi is a nice nick though 🙂
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doesnm
register it!
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[social]
hi is a very friendly nick
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srazkvt
it is
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[mattl]
if a service isn’t selling data, not using ads… what do you call that? a gift?
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[social]
A 1998 web business model?
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[mattl]
Sweet. http://Libre.fm was now canonically created before Google.
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