#indieweb 2025-07-10

2025-07-10 UTC
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club - Americas is starting soon! Join us! https://events.indieweb.org/ndWtHH0xC4yL
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osteophage In case anyone's interested: Good Internet Magazine has opened submissions for its autumn issue. https://tilde.zone/@xandra/114824830839675426
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osteophage [edit] In case anyone's interested: Good Internet Magazine has opened submissions for its autumn issue. https://tilde.zone/@xandra/114824830839675426
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perryflynn nice, you can use the xpath parser from freshrss to parse h-feeds (or any other item lists) if there is no rss.
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perryflynn was able to add a website into my feeds which does not have rss or atom.
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Loqi hey perryflynn, that's a lot of dev jargon! parse, parser, RSS, ATOM... can you move to #indieweb-dev?
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doesnm jackpot!
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zachary.kai I created a directory for sites using Static HTML, if anyone would like to join! Just me so far. https://zacharykai.net/lists/html
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zachary.kai [edit] I created a directory for sites using Static HTML, if anyone would like to join! Just me so far. https://zacharykai.net/lists/html
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doesnm @zachaky.kai: should email be valid? :P I'm lost my public email and has only private
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cophee Wanting to start an indieweb club of sorts in Syd after talking to a friend today about wanting to make personal websites
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cophee Any ideas on how I might do that?
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capjamesg What is organising?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/organising
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capjamesg Wait, not that page.
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capjamesg This one: https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#How_to_Organize_Virtual_Events
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capjamesg [edit] This one: https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#How_to_Organize_Virtual_Events
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capjamesg Ah, that's for online 😅
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cophee zachary_kai[d]: Tried it but the form errored out for me!
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capjamesg This is the section: https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#How_to_Organize
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capjamesg [edit] This is the section: https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#How_to_Organize
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cophee Thank you!!
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capjamesg Let us know if you have any questions!
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cophee Today I learnt that we have free spaces for hire for community groupd
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cophee Groups
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cophee https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/community-support-funding/fee-waiver-for-hiring-community-spaces
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cophee [edit] https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/community-support-funding/fee-waiver-for-hiring-community-spaces
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sarna hey, I'm setting up my website, and I wonder if there's any good way of setting up a multilingual one? I kinda don't want to commit to subdomains/paths
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cophee Going to try to get a member list before booking 😃
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sarna it's a personal site so it wouldn't be like a corporate site with everything mechanically translated into all langs
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cophee sarna: @sarna are you using any frameworks for your website at the moment?
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capjamesg sarna You may be interested in https://indieweb.org/multilingual_blogging
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capjamesg [edit] sarna You may be interested in https://indieweb.org/multilingual_blogging
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sarna cophee: I'm writing my own SSG, but I could use something like 11ty/jekyll if it was much easier
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Loqi hey cophee sarna, would you mind moving this more technical conversation (frameworks, Jekyll, SSG) to #indieweb-dev? thanks!
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sarna sure!
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sarna hm, is this a bot? 🤔
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capjamesg Loqi is!
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capjamesg What is i18n?
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Loqi Internationalization (AKA internationalisation, i18n; localization, l10n.) is the process of adapting software/content to various languages https://indieweb.org/i18n
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capjamesg Loqi can help us navigate the wiki ^
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sarna then I won't listen for now :D
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sarna ohh that's very neat
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perryflynn sarna: I do that on svr.ls and have just language specific Indexes and name German posts just .html and English ones .en.html as extension. Also checkout the html, there are meta alternate tags to link them. Also the lang attribute is set correctly.
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sarna honestly I really like the minimalist approach with flags
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sarna this still leaves the issue of having the UI in one language only, but eh, not too bad
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perryflynn Here is one I wrote in both languages: https://serverless.industries/2023/07/02/static-binaries.html
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perryflynn Yea for the ui I was lazy, since almost any tech person in Germans can basic English.
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perryflynn *in Germany can read basic English.
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sarna perryflynn: oh lovely, I should be able to set up a static site like yours too
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sarna not too complicated, and there's good UX for people interested in both languages! that's what I didn't like about subdomains
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sarna thank you :)
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perryflynn Yw. :-)
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zachary.kai doesnm No worries! I've added you to the directory!
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zachary.kai wingpang_com[d]: Thanks so much for spotting the error! Much appreciated. It's fixed now, and I've added your listing to the directory.
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cophee yippee!
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doesnm @zachary.kai did you send webmention to sites which you added?
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zachary.kai No, I didn't, as it didn't occur to me to do so! That's an excellent idea. I've marked up the page with the right formats and sent two webmentions. Let me know if you recieve it!
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cophee 🫡 🫡
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cophee Would Known be the best CMS for IndieWeb at the moment? (With support for Webmentions + Microformats)
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capjamesg Known doesn't have much support anymore.
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capjamesg I ran it ~2-3 years ago and really liked the software, but there were rough edges.
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cophee aww that sucks 😦
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cophee wanting to find something easy to set up + customise at a low cost for ppl who are starting out
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cophee maybe wordpress with indieweb plugins?
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capjamesg Yeah. There aren't many all-in-one solutions with support for the various IndieWeb technologies.
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cophee i'll dive into wordpress a bit then!!
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perryflynn in the next 4-8 weeks my intercom project is also ready to be published and tested. it brings interfaces to add indieauth, webmentions, two-way syndication to mastodon and micropub to statically generated websites.
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cophee perryflynn: radical!
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cophee i'll give it a go 😄
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doesnm i like dobrado but they are broken
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doesnm what is dobrado
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Loqi dobrado is an open source multi-user content management system that supports many indieweb features https://indieweb.org/dobrado
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doesnm didn't know any alternative, except maybe p3k and wordpress
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cophee 😭
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jak2k I just installed dobrado to try it out. Doesn't seem to have any IndieWeb integration.
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jak2k The PHP is there, but it doesn't work.
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[KevinMarks] @sarna flags are a bad proxy for languages. Every country has multiple languages what does 🇨🇭 mean? Or, put another way, we are all imperfectly multilingual.
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[KevinMarks] One approach I have seen is to have long posts in more than one language, each of which has summaries in the other language the blog is in.
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[KevinMarks] Google has had a bad influence by assuming monolingual pages by default.
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sarna [KevinMarks]: good point
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sarna "...have long posts in more than one language..." -> you mean with 3 languages the entire long post would be translated twice (+ original language, so 3 posts), and also each post would have 2 summaries in other languages underneatch?
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sarna "Google has had a bad influence by assuming monolingual..." -> not only google, just about everybody in sillicon valley/big corp :P
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[KevinMarks] No I meant for my (non-hypothetical) Swiss friend who would post in French and English the main post would be in whatever language made the most sense for the topic, and there would be summaries in both French and English to provide context. You could extend that further, but probably not to a lot of languages.
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doesnm ja2k: they have
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doesnm for ex here is headers at unicyclic.com https://paste.ee/p/bK3aUSEH
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sarna [KevinMarks]: oh I see, cool. also a good option, when you don't want to write from scratch/translate
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jak2k doesnm: I looked into the network tab. There were no such headers.
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[snarfed] cophee consider http://micro.blog!
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doesnm jak2k: define it yourself
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doesnm [snarfed]: microblog is also cool, but paid
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doesnm want to use it, but they support only stripe
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[snarfed] it's very cheap, and paying for services is good
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[snarfed] but if you hate stripe specifically then...ok
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capjamesg [snarfed] Heads up that Stripe doesn't support all locales.
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[snarfed] ah interesting. any notable missing ones capjamesg?
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[snarfed] doesnm is that why?
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capjamesg See the list of supported countries: https://stripe.com/gb/global
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capjamesg [edit] See the list of supported countries: https://stripe.com/gb/global
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doesnm [snarfed]: no, i don't hate stripe, i'm just located in country where i can't pay with it (Russia)
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[snarfed] there we go. ok then!
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[snarfed] I'm surprised you're online at all, sounds like connectivity there has been difficult for a while now
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[snarfed] condolences
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doesnm huh?
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[snarfed] https://news.google.com/search?q=russia internet , https://blog.cloudflare.com/russian-internet-users-are-unable-to-access-the-open-internet/
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[snarfed] argh, first link should be https://news.google.com/search?q=russia+internet
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doesnm oh, you're about it. Yes, we have problems with Cloudflare sites
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samundersingh Hi guys  anyone here
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btrem He wasn't waiting for a response. :-D
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perryflynn I use IRC for 15 years now, and still don't understand people which cannot wait for 20 minutes.
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perryflynn or even 5.
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sarna well sometimes you're in a *real hurry*..
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[tantek] if you want to help mimic some Loqi suggestions, here are some simple call & response scripts: https://indieweb.org/Loqi#Answer_simple_prompts_queries
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btrem or even 3. He was gone in literally 2 minutes!
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btrem [tantek]: didn't work for samundersingh. His message ened with "anyone here" but did not elicit an auto response from Loqi.
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[tantek] btrem, it's a brainstorm, not yet a feature
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btrem Oh! Ha ha
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btrem I didn't read the page very carefully.
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[tantek] sorry, that link I sent was inside the Brainstorm section which is not obvious
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[tantek] that was not blaming you, that was blaming me 🙂
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