#indieweb 2025-08-13
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[tantek] I know there's mixed opinions on using LLMs here (mostly negative), however I'm curious about how people feel about a very specific use-case of "review" or "critique" or "proofread" where the LLM does not actually write any words for you, but rather only critiques your words (with explanations), and then perhaps in response, you rewrite your words. The output is still all your writing, however it was improved by way of critical feedback from an
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# [tantek] for example, see the "Postscript" in this post: https://maggieappleton.com/ai-enlightenment/
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.pi.r2. tantek: For proofreading 100%, but critiquing might be trickier. Problem is that chat bots tend to be exceedingly agreeable (cloud ones at least, I have little experience with local ones). A colleague mentioned that GPT5 was the first to actually push back, so might be a better starting point.
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[Murray] Though, as someone who has worked as a copy editor, and has seen plenty of colleagues start using it that way, I'd point out that the current raft of models are always driving towards the _mean_ in terms of language, so it all ends up sounding the same. You can likely do some prompt engineering around that to help retain a semblance of personal tone/voice, but I'd still be concerned about that
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# osteophage If someone wants writing feedback they can just @ me.
# osteophage Grammarly is certainly the popular choice for this kinds of thing. It also predates LLM chatbots as they're known today, which goes to show that more elaborate models are unnecessary for flagging basic and programmatically-identifiable issues. For anything more complex than that, there are plenty of people out there who are interested to help. https://tracydurnell.com/2024/12/01/gift-to-the-indie-web-i-will-edit-your-blog-post/
# osteophage [edit] Grammarly is certainly the popular choice for this kinds of thing. It also predates LLM chatbots as they're known today, which goes to show that more elaborate models are unnecessary for flagging basic and programmatically-identifiable issues. For anything more complex than that, there are plenty of people out there who are interested to help. https://tracydurnell.com/2024/12/01/gift-to-the-indie-web-i-will-edit-your-blog-p
# osteophage Anyway here I'd been thinking about writing some kind of general writing/composition guide but had been holding back because I was like ah well no one's interested in that.
# osteophage On the other hand I keep thinking about that time someone at Wikipedia suggested using bots for generating summaries of complex text and I'm like good grief I would really like for folks to understand why that supposed use case doesn't make any sense. Real "push code on a Friday" kind of idea.
# osteophage [edit] Grammarly is certainly the popular choice for this kinds of thing. It also predates LLM chatbots as they're known today, which goes to show that more elaborate models are unnecessary for flagging basic and programmatically-identifiable issues. For anything more complex than that, there are plenty of people out there who are interested to help. https://tracydurnell.com/2024/12/01/gift-to-the-indie-web-i-will-edit-your-blog-p
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capjamesg This is a cool idea: https://skep.place/events/potluck/2025/signup
# capjamesg [edit] This is a cool idea: https://skep.place/events/potluck/2025/signup
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[schmarty] tantek: reminds me of https://www.geoffreylitt.com/2025/07/27/enough-ai-copilots-we-need-ai-huds
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[artlung] _[tantek] see:_ https://skep.place/events/potluck/2025/signup
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# carrvo Personally I don't like AI/LLMs for two reasons: 1) when the AI writes it, people will attribute it to themselves (which I believe to be akin to lying) -- of which having it as a proof-read is fine (and some times proof-readers are given credit) -- and 2) one of the benefits of these tools is their widespread use; of which if it is giving the same advice to everyone then it acts as a conformity force that reduces diversity. I recogniz
# carrvo All in all, it does not mean I am particularly *against* AI, just suspicious and skeptical.
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# [Jim_Mitchell] 👋 Hey all. New IndieWeb Slack member here... https://jimmitchell.org
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[aciccarello] Some good free licensed photo suggestions https://livelaugh.blog/posts/non-ai-images-for-blogs-websites/
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zimnickico hey everyone, another new joiner here, joining via irc. been following the indieweb movement for a while and finally decided to start adopting the principles myself. pleasure to meet you all.
# [aciccarello] Hi zimnickico!
# [aciccarello] Do you have a website yet?
# zimnickico yes i do! although it's still very barebones. feel free to visit it if you'd like anyway: https://zimnicki.co/
# zimnickico i'm planning to move stuff from twitter, substack and medium there over the coming days, so wish me luck hah
# [aciccarello] Nice! Those screenshots look really clean! Is that some of your portfolio?
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# zimnickico thank you! correct, this is some of my work. did digital product design for the past 3-ish years.
# Loqi backfill is the action of importing all your past posts, typically from a social media silo, into your own site https://indieweb.org/backfill
# [aciccarello] I've backfilled my content from twitter, Medium, and Instagram. I still have a draft sitting around to post the node.js script I used to generate the markdown files for my site.
# [aciccarello] Good luck with that! Definitely a fun challenge to cleanup the export data from those sites.
# zimnickico thanks tantek, will have a look at that! side-question, mind if i ask what karma does here? it's the first time i'm seeing something like this.
# [aciccarello] What is loqi?
# Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot/digital therapist present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/Loqi
# [aciccarello] What is karma?
# Loqi Karma is a community recognition tool used in the IndieWeb community and powered by the friendly bot Loqi https://indieweb.org/Karma
# [aciccarello] zimnickico, it's mostly a fun way to recognize people. 😁
# zimnickico oh that is very cool, thanks. that "what is" command will probably come in handy more than i'd like to admit.
# [aciccarello] Yep, Loqi helps us quickly add and read from the wiki from chat. Anything that has a direct IndieWeb relevance should have a page in the wiki. In addition to the backfill page, you might want to check out the pages for silos like Twitter and Medium for tips.
# [aciccarello] What is getting started?
# Loqi 🎉 Get started on the indieweb by connecting with the IndieWeb community, getting a personal domain, a place for your content, and setting up your home page and other IndieWeb essentials https://indieweb.org/getting_started
# [aciccarello] You probably already saw that page, but it's also a good starting point.
# Loqi "baby don't hurt me . . . " ♫ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEXWRTEbj1I https://indieweb.org/love
# zimnickico aciccarello, yeah that is the page i was following :) very useful indeed!
# [aciccarello] 😸 gRegor++
# zimnickico gRegor, hah i love that
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[mattl] !dns http://mat.tl
# zimnickico thanks for the warm welcome you both!
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