#indieweb 2025-12-08
2025-12-08 UTC
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AnaOlivia I wanted to thank Al_Abut for hosting the Photography Pop-up today! Very glad to catch it.
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# [morgan] Zachary.kai++
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# [Al_Abut] Thank you Ana! So glad you joined and had a good time.
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# AnaOlivia Yes! I really appreciate the etherpad being available for "meeting notes".
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# [Al_Abut] Oh good! I always worry if people have a hard time finding the etherpad. It's why our zooms have the chat disabled - it's to record notes in a way that's more wiki-friendly - so I get the tradeoff.
# [Al_Abut] And thank you for asking good questions in there, that was super helpful.
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# [morgan] Hello this is a general purpose question if it's ok to ask - how many people have used a bookmarklet before ? Any general vibes? I'm writing a blog post about making them to be super efficient
# [morgan] I'm trying to make a really particular kind of experience with some extra accessibility in mind like a single purpose tool
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[aciccarello] I've used them but infrequently. I once had a job interview require programming a bookmarklet. My impression is that most people are not aware that they are a thing. Even a developer friend only recently learned they exist.
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# [aciccarello] here's a page I put together for my bookmarklets https://www.ciccarello.me/sites/bookmarklets/
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# dibblethewrecker Could someone remind me how to properly cross-platform @someone here, please?
# [morgan] Good question - I thought I knew but Im not sure. I was under the impression that the text "@dibblethewrecker" would ping you regardless of platform, albeit it does not highlight in Slack for me
# [morgan] [aciccarello] - Thank you and kudos to your simple and maximally effective bookmarklet list. Thats what Im looking to build myself, a short list of bookmarklets intended for dev purposes
# dibblethewrecker Thanks
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# beleth heya
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[KevinMarks] [morgan] I have several bookmarklets I use frequently, as well as some that are no longer as useful.
# [KevinMarks] here's an older one, but it includes a how-to for using them on mobile chrome https://web.archive.org/web/20170731225208/https://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/day-7-to-amp-or-not-to-amp-100daysofindieweb
# [morgan] KevinMarks++
# [Trevor_Morris] https://alexwlchan.net/2025/social-media-scrapbook/
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# [KevinMarks] I posted a couple in https://indieweb.org/ShareOpenly
# [KevinMarks] I also have one that looks up the current page in http://archive.is which is useful when they have invasive js advertising
# [KevinMarks] javascript:var url = false;var links = document.getElementsByTagName('link');Object.keys(links).forEach(function(key)
{if(links[key].rel !== 'canonical'){return;};url = links[key].href;});if(!url){ url=document.location;};document.location = 'https://archive.is/latest/'+url;# [KevinMarks] note some related code to the 'get me the canonical page' one
# [KevinMarks] javascript:var url = false;var links = document.getElementsByTagName('link');Object.keys(links).forEach(function(key)
{if(links[key].rel !== 'canonical'){return;};url = links[key].href;});if(!url){ alert('No canonical URL'); };if(url){document.location = url;};# [KevinMarks] that's fair
# [morgan] Im excited to read this and continue conversing
# [morgan] Maybe we should go to the dev channel though. But if anyone has "general purpose" experiences with bookmarklets feel free to share those here
# [morgan] I guess basically what Ive learned is that they have a very dev focus for a lot of their use, because you kinda gotta or want to understand the details of whats happening, because you are basically running code in a console but in a bookmark button or something to that effect. Basically TLDR; Im wondering how broadly people use them
# [KevinMarks] They were a lot more popular when everyone was on desktop, they're harder to use on mobile
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Loqi 🎶 Hey-ya, Hey-ya
You think you've got your data
Oh, you think you've got it
But silos got it just might delete it 'til there's nothin' at all
We get together at HWC
Oh, we get together at IWC 🎶
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfBIkAOgTLY https://indieweb.org/heya
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[jeremycherfas] I have a few bookmarklets that I use regularly, but I rely on other people to write them.
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# [Mike_Mai] i watch this channel a lot for learning about the old web. 😄 https://www.youtube.com/@nationsquid/videos
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# [social] [capjamesg] I read this long ago and it is mostly a collection of people and technologies of the early web, Architects of the Web, by Robert H. Reid. Its first focus is Netscape with Andreessen (which is a person I have a strong bias about) and was frustrated by that section. I remember liking the others on Rob Glasser and Progressive Networks, Kim Polese and Java, Mark Pesce and VRML, Ariel Poler and I/Pro, Jerry Yang and Yahoo, Andrew Anker
# [social] and Hotwired, and Halsey Minor and CNet.
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# [social] There are quite a few books about early Internet, but purely web focussed sort of gets skipped over until Web 2.0.
# [social] Robert X. Chringely had a book that was a good overview of just pre-web tech in Silicon Valley, “Accidental Empires: How the boys of Silicon Valley make their millions, battle foreign competition, and still can’t get a date”. His web focus was a 3 part tv series, “Nerds 2.0".1: A brief history of the Internet”.
# [social] A really good book that spans early Internet to the Web is “Where Wizards Stay Up Late” by Katie Hafner and Matthew Lyon. It gets to the first two or three years of the Web.
# [social] Part of the lack of Web focus is writing and getting a book published and out is a process of around 2 years for books for general consumption. The Web really started to get attention about three or four years in (1995 to 1997) there really wasn’t a lot of focus on it from a techno cultural perspective until around 1998 to 2000. I knew a few journalists and authors that had books about the web and its companies when the Web crash hit in 2000 t
# [social] 2001 and that had all the books cancelled.
# [social] The other part is it was growing and expanding really quickly and by 1996 or 1997 it had spread so broadly an author getting their arms around what is relevant as a whole was really difficult. There were many periodicals of the time capturing the whos, companies, and whats rather well and with large volume (Business Insider, Biz 2.0, Industry Standard, Fast Company, etc.). Books about this time turned to mostly turned to writing about companies
# [social] (Apple, Google, Xerox Parc, etc.) as they were more contained. There were also books about start-ups and start-up culture, but not as much about the Web itself.
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[tantek] anyone have any gifts planned for today for the gift calendar? https://indieweb.org/2025-12-indieweb-gift-calendar
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