#indieweb 2026-07-02

2026-07-02 UTC
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ZodiacalComet The "I don't know how to center a div" webring /jk
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gRegor haha
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beangal ZodiacalComet: Sign me up ZodicalComet!
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hypha that discord bridge is dope!
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hypha I think my favorite webring I've seen is the magical-ring, the styling is just so good
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doesnm https://old.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/1ujtebf/logging_in_to_use_old_reddit/
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doesnm well i really hate reddit. With proxy it just doesn't let me to view it (and without it internet are pain)
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thamara_k Good morning all! And welcome to all the newcomers!
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thamara_k cwkildegaard: to answer one of your earlier questions, I’m not a “creative” or a “programmer” professionally, I just like tinkering with my personal website and a sharing bits of myself there in the absence of social media. There are lots of people here who do that. All you need is an interest, no qualifications necessary.
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IWDiscord <t​hamara_k>
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hypha hey all o/
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doesnm o/
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hypha I have been developing for a long time and developed my website around 3 times at this point. I feel like it needs to be perfect and extraordinary every time. does anyone have advice or recs to deal with this?
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beangal o/
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beangal hypha: @ Hypha
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beangal It really depends what you're wanting to do with it. Myself, I tried a few times to make something professional and proper on my domain which is tied to my email. But after just getting burnt out so fast, I eventually just gave up.
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beangal And so nothing ended up on my domain, and that felt kind of empty, eventually I stumbled upon the webrevival movement, neocities e.t.c. and decided to just FAFO basically. I used to make terrible little websites when I was a kid, so it just felt right to do something like that again. Its low effort enough that its fun and not quickly exhausting for someone like myself who can struggle with completing projects.
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jorisvandijk hypha: Just make it your own. Perfect is in the eye of the beholder I think. Mostly though, have fun with it!
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[Murray] @hypha the usual one is to just publish 😄 we've all been there, at one point or another, but _done_ is better than _perfect_, and one of the joys of owning your own space is that you can tinker whenever you like
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beangal And it gets something up and out there, thats yours :D As murray just beat me to, Done is better than Perfect :D
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beangal Theres the whole Cult of Done with their Manifesto if you're curious > https://medium.com/@bre/the-cult-of-done-manifesto-724ca1c2ff13
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[Murray] I'm personally a big fan of the whole "develop/build in the open" approach, where you launch what you have and work on it when you have time. Also a fan of the "worry stone" thinking: https://ethanmarcotte.com/wrote/let-a-website-be-a-worry-stone/
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[Murray] Andy Bell's a good example of someone building in the open: https://bell.bz/, but there are lots of other examples (my site is _technically_ on this, but I'm also a little stuck 😄)
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beangal [Murray]: I have been very much building in the open with my page @ Murray haha, I have a little "Under Construction" annoying rainbow gif I put at the top of a post when I'm still writing it, which can take a few days.
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hypha these are banger recs actually
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beangal hypha: @ Hypha, What does rec mean?
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beangal I'm assuming reccomendations!
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[Murray] it does yeah 🙂 and yeah @beangal always love those little marker-style touches 😄 I still remember when most sights had tiny construction signs hanging up somewhere on the homepage, it was basically a right of passage
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[Murray] I'll add as another recommendation @hypha, maybe check out digital gardening. It's a slightly different approach to personal sites than traditional blogging; it's more content focused than design, but it operates in a similar vein to "building in the open", only it basically says that no page is ever *done*, just growing
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[Murray] what is digital garden
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Loqi 🌿🪴 A digital garden is a particular practice of creating & growing an online and public IndieWeb presence that focuses more on topics & relationships than a timeline like blogs, has content of different levels of development, is imperfect and often a playground for experimentation, learning, revising, iteration, and growth for diverse content, perhaps interlinked with other digital gardens https://indieweb.org/digital_garden
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[Murray] ^ some more info and examples there. The classic one is Maggie Appleton's site, but there are lots these days
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beangal The most annoying part of livedeving I've found is weird caching issues.
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beangal Ofc, going to my external domain (ferret.life) goes through cloudflare so css can take a minute to a few hours to update.
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beangal But even when using the local address, there seems to be some strange caching problems happening? I took a look into it but I couldn't find the answer, gave up and went to go find more blingies
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beangal When you're not doing big bulk updates out of some webdev IDE, and instead making minor tweaks to css directly on the server, the caching gets a bit annoying.
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Loqi friendly reminder beangal, we try to keep dev talk (CSS) out of this channel, can you move to #indieweb-dev?
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beangal Do I suck at css... or has the cache just center-blocked my div
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[Murray] you should be able to override that locally in dev tools. Getting a bit #indieweb-dev territory, but i.e. in the Network panel in Firefox, you can toggle on "Disable Cache" for local development (also works on live sites, but obviously not a "fix" for most people)
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Loqi +1
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beangal @ Murray, Let me shuffle over into #indieweb-dev to continue this :D
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beangal Loqi: Speaking of, I went very blog first when I started a few weeks ago, but I am tempted to move the "Kind of Blog" to its own page and have the index be more garden style? I don't know right now!
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hypha thanks [Murray] jorisvandijk and beangal
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[Murray] Try it out and see if it fits 🙂 If not, you can always reverse it
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[Murray] And no worries @hypha!
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hypha at the very least your blog just happens to have a lot of interweaving links
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hypha these kinda remind me of Andy Matuschak's evergreen notes and posting style
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[Trevor_Morris] [Al_Abut] Shall I host the MovieClub for July? I'm going to go for "A Charlie Chaplin movie" for the challenge. If so, I shall write up a blog post.
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[Trevor_Morris] Not sure how to link to my wiki profile with my avatar. If I follow `{{trovster}}` syntax, it just shows `Template:trovster` in the table. 😐
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[Murray] [Trevor_Morris] I'll take this to -> #indieweb-meta but I think you want chatnames
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[Trevor_Morris] I've added July's IndieWeb Movie club entry and written up an introduction blog post: https://www.trovster.com/blog/2026/07/indieweb-movie-club-july-2026-charlie-chaplin
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beangal hypha: Who, mine? @ hypha
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "The Human Story of the Open Web" https://zeldman.com/2026/07/02/the-human-story-of-the-open-web/ (from https://artlung.com/indienews/37d878eb5b61f9a48db9a53143e28e9b)
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beangal [Murray]: @ Murray, I quite like what I've done, but it is giving space jam for sure
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beangal https://ferret.life/
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[Murray] Ha you're not wrong, love the background 😄
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[Murray] I'm a little confused why the whole page is indicating that its clickable, but doesn't do anything? Or is it planned to be a splash page and then click through to an index of some kind?
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beangal I hadn't noticed that, honestly very unsure, I followed a myriad of css guides.
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[Murray] @beangal -> #indieweb-dev
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hypha beangal: yeah, when you mentioned having a "Kind of Blog" it reminded me of Andy Matuschak
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hypha the ferret.life domain is so good
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beangal hypha++ Someone to look into :D Thank you, I also have `dook.dev` which I use for hosting weird little nerd things, dook being the sound that ferrets make when excited haha
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Loqi hypha has 1 karma over the last year
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hypha I love that so much
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hypha I am trying to find some good ideas for nature/fungi inspired domains (thus hypha) but have not been to lucky so far
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hypha ribo.zone is such a good one, and I can attempt to aspire to that
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beangal hypha: ribo.zone is crazy awesome, I'd be shocked if it isnt taken
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beangal https://ribo.zone is taken, but does seem to be indie web
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girlonthemoon omg yeah i follow the owner of ribo.zone, they're very cool
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doesnm i also saw website in .nexus zone where website are yume nikki nexus and each egg is a page
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[capjamesg] hypha random suggestion: currents.ing :)
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[capjamesg] As in (water) currents sing 😅
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hypha I can see the vision
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beangal My brain is shockingly blank on these
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hypha I love ribo.zone (why I want to aspire to it)
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hypha there is stuff like hypha.eco, .green, etc. but not accessible to me right now
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beangal Why not available?
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beangal [edit] Why not accessible?
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hypha high price or locked behind usage agreements
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beangal Fungal.Flowers
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beangal Available, but expensive :(
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beangal Fungal.garden is available for cheap
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beangal https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866577279223595022/1522362842026737775/image.png?ex=6a483261&is=6a46e0e1&hm=051045ec7425b62f1c562324870e0df4b6e9c8cd0bdbdb7c297e529f5427d309&
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beangal I am sticking with the Fungus theme for now!
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beangal But the .garden tld seems to be decently cheap
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hypha .garden is looking really good
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beangal Only thing to be cautious about .garden is that its quite a new TLD, so credibility if you try to do businessy email stuff through it might be a bit low, leading your emails to go into peoples spam folder.
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beangal But if you're reserving it entirely for personal use and dont plan on making it your primary email address, go for it
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fw14 this reminded me of radio.garden
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