#indieweb 2026-07-30

2026-07-30 UTC
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[artlung] Cory Doctorow mentioned and expanded “POSSE” in an interview with John Stewart https://youtu.be/-dAIJRjb-Bw 30 minutes in.
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[tantek] Loooool amazing
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[artlung] FrESH will be in 2 hours or so. Hope to see you there! https://events.indieweb.org/2026/07/front-end-study-hall-055-bX1IelfWWpxf
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[capjamesg] I will be there!
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[artlung] Looking forward to it!
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[jeremycherfas] I might be.
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[social] I marked that I am going.
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[jeremycherfas] One thing I started playing with while away is Feather, a tiny wiki along the lines of Tiddlywiki. I never clicked with Tiddlywiki, but so far I am quite enjoying doing a bit of writing in Feather. Not public yet, and it is only a single HTML file, so if I want to publish, it will not be difficult. https://feather.wiki/ Anyone else using it?
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[jeremycherfas] What is Feather`
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Feather`" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Feather` is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[jeremycherfas] What is wiki
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Loqi wiki on the indieweb may refer to individual personal wikis, wiki as a page type, wiki options for personal sites, wiki-related projects, or discussion about the IndieWeb wiki in particular https://indieweb.org/wiki/
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[jeremycherfas] Feather is a small wiki tool that could be used to implement an independent, self-hosted wiki.
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[jeremycherfas] Too late Loqi?
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[jeremycherfas] What is Feather
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Feather" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Feather is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[jeremycherfas] Feather is a small wiki tool that could be used to implement an independent, self-hosted wiki.
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Loqi hey [jeremycherfas]: that's a lot of dev jargon! implement... can you move to #indieweb-dev?
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Loqi ok
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[jeremycherfas] What is Feather
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Loqi Feather is a small wiki tool that could be used to implement an independent, self-hosted wiki https://indieweb.org/Feather
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Loqi Front End Study Hall #055 is starting soon! Join us! https://events.indieweb.org/bX1IelfWWpxf
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[Mike] I just want to observe, without judgement, that in Front End Study hall, we just got through a protracted discussion of the durability of digital information without anybody ever once saying the word "blockchain".
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[Mike] I was going to blurt it out before the end of the meeting, but decided it would be indecorous.
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[tantek] lol and thank you for not blurting it out [Mike]. I too was tempted to mention "IPFS!" in the discussion of URLs/domains breaking but decided not to highlight that either (in this case, wondering how many things people put on and expected would last "forever" on IPFS are no longer retrievable because no one hosts their hashes any more)
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Loqi friendly reminder [Mike] [tantek], we try to keep dev talk (blockchain, IPFS) out of this channel, can you move to #indieweb-dev?
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[tantek] hahah appropriate chiding
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[artlung] [Mike]++ I think we’d have handled it with aplomb, after all often what's stored is not the digital assets themselves, but a link! So in that sense blockchain doesn't attempt to solve the longevity problem at all!
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Loqi [Mike] has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (2 in all channels)
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[Mike] [artlung] That's a valid and interesting observation. It can go either way, but yes, as I think about it, back when I was much more active in Web3, the biggest use of data on blockchain was pointers to other things, not actual archival data. There were instances—and from the code side, smart contracts are software that may become functionally obsolete but never disappears—but, no, the majority of use cases, you're right.
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[Mike] [artlung]++ updoot also for using both the words "forebearance" and "aplomb" in the space of a half hour.
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Loqi [artlung] has 20 karma in this channel over the last year (231 in all channels)
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[artlung] that said, checksums and catalogs of pointers *do* have archival value. in the sense that Blockchain applications store those there's value there. I will point out their similarity to https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Reference/Attributes/integrity which we also mentioned in terms of "trusting" that a link is what it says it is.
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[artlung] but it's more metadata layer, less "here's that archival writing you wanted to read"
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[Mike] [tantek] yes, I had a similar thought about IPFS in the moment. There's a case to be made for greater probability of long-term availability with distributed storage—bittorrent sorings to mind too—but of course it's really not much more of a guarantee.
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gRegor Loqi, you asleep? :D
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[artlung] peer to peer mechanisms for storing websites *could* be used to store websites. Imagine https://sneakerweb.org but as a p2p infrastrucure
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[tantek] gRegor I think since we were already warned there's a bit of a break before we are warned again
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gRegor oh missed it
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[tantek] yes Loqi chided Mike and me 😂
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[capjamesg] Quote from a character in Frasier (Julia Wilcox): “wanna know my bio? go to my website”
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[artlung] fodder for my blogs and websites in culture wiki https://artlung.com/ideas/
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[capjamesg] ^^
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[capjamesg] One from Leverage: “get off the facebook”
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[tantek] What are ideas
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Loqi An ideas page is a page that lists things people want to make, or concepts they are considering https://indieweb.org/ideas
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[tantek] Nice. Ideas++
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Loqi Ideas has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] What is 💡
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "💡" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "💡 is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] 💡 is /ideas
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] ideas << {{emojicon|💡}}
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Loqi ok, I added "{{emojicon|💡}}" to the "See Also" section of /ideas https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=112558&oldid=112427
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TheAndSys hewwo
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TheAndSys damn
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TheAndSys nobody here
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[snarfed] thousands of people here, we just often talk slower, async
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[tantek] what is a chicken
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Loqi 🐔 chicken is a type of post supported by idnoKnown, and were initially a proof of concept for post-type plugin development, but high levels of chicken interest in the community has driven further development https://indieweb.org/chicken
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TheAndSys ohh i see
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indieportugal hhi
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indieportugal hi
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indieportugal hi
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indieportugal hi
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indieportugal hi
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indieportugal its my first time in indie web
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TheAndSys helloo
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[snarfed] welcome!
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