#indieweb 2026-08-30

2026-08-30 UTC
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[Mike]
[tantek]++ Thanks, I already discovered that post :-) . I actually wound up writing a rather long response here, so I’m gonna move it over to #indieweb-dev.
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Loqi
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tristan1
Hey guys! I'm new to this... so how do you search for specific information on the indie web? Is there a "google" for the indie-web?
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doesnm
also you can say here "what is ..."
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doesnm
what is indieweb
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Loqi
The IndieWeb is a community of independent and personal websites based on the principles of owning your domain and using it as your primary online identity, publishing on your own site first (optionally elsewhere), and owning your content https://indieweb.org/indieweb
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tristan1
alright! thanks!
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tristan2
I guess you guys use it rather as a communal tool than for research?
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doesnm
well yes
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tristan2
alright..! I just discovered that the indie web search is a project that has never been finished. https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb_Search?utm_source=chatgpt.com
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tristan2
I wonder if this is for decentralisation or just because it's not easy to pull off.
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tristan2
But I found a search engine that targets non-commercial sites. Maybe someone is interested in this: https://marginalia-search.com/
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doesnm
oh, you want search engine across indieweb websites?
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tristan2
exactly - I imagine it would be so cool to find all kinds of information on peoples personal sites instead of the usual junk google shows
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doesnm
also i saw some blogrools
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doesnm
*blogrolls
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tristan2
interesting, thanks!
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rnkn
hello o/
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[capjamesg]
tristan2 Yeah, I have tried to build an IndieWeb search engine twice but it is a huge task and has been hard to maintain.
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[capjamesg]
I would love to see someone else try to make it happen!
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kepler
the "issue" with making an indie web search engine is that it'll probably only be accepted if it's human-made, and it's falteringly difficult for a human to find every single possible personal website
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kepler
the best tactic is to collate as many different website compilations/communities as you can and just surf through them
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[pcarrier]
or let people submit whatever they want, moderate post-facto?
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[capjamesg]
kepler I was indexing 2,000 personal sites at one point. It was a tiny drop in the water, but it was fun to make! Incredibly difficult to maintain though (for me; others could probably do it a lot better!).
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kepler
yeah, that's what i mean by "issue" in quotes. like it's not something to stop you, just that it's difficult
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kepler
[pcarrier], that can be a problem with the politics of the internet now. if hateful websites got indexed, people would raise issues and demand more moderation, and the moderation would become more difficult to maintain as it scales up :/
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[capjamesg]
Yeah. I don’t think a search engine needs to index every personal site to be useful though.
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kepler
it's good conceptually but the way Internet Society tends to behave makes it 'risky' pretty much
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kepler
i think a lot of the charm of the indie web is the concept of exploring it
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kepler
like, you can find things related to what you like, and use it as a diving board to find more similar/related websites
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[capjamesg]
Re: moderation. I agree with kepler. I’d say you need controls from day one if you’re going to operate something like a search engine.
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[Trevor_Morris]
Maybe something like a /friends would be useful 🙄
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[capjamesg]
(Admittedly I didn’t build many moderation tools but my sample size was small and filtered, so the risk was limited. I’d definitely do it differently now.)
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kepler
i.e. i like the war never changes fanlisting as a place to look for people who like fallout and searching for related webrings/listings/etc :]
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[capjamesg]
One thing I have liked the idea of is web readers acting as a sort of pseudo-personal search engine, in that it indexes all the sites you like. But it serves more of the purpose of retrieval over time rather than being useful for discovery.
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kepler
i actually emailed the listing owner when i launched the wild wasteland webring to be affiliates
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kepler
they're a really delightful person, they hooked me up with the font that lots of 50x50 button makers use ^_^
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[capjamesg]
That reminds me, I really need to see if the Taylor Swift fanlisting is still going 😂
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kepler
LOL
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kepler
surely theres plenty of them
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kepler
theres gotta be one for the girl herself and then one for every single one of her albums
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kepler
shes too popular to not have that many
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kepler
TFL probably has 'em all listed
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kepler
thefanlistings!
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[capjamesg]
kepler++ for mentioning fanlistings!
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Loqi
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kepler
:D
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kepler
i run a fanlisting (and webring) for vintage story ^^
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kepler
i need to fix it i think i need to update its code to point at its new domain
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[capjamesg]
Omg there are 28 affiliates of the Taylor Swift fanlisting haha.
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[capjamesg]
It looks like they are all run by ~3-4 people.
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[capjamesg]
Ah now I’m down a rabbit hole.
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kepler
that's why we're all here isn't it :p
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[capjamesg]
Also, your fanlisting site is cool!
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wturrell
we could do with more curated directories by subject area, i think. obviously some sites are hard to categorise. i can’t see as much value in a search engine, because it’s so hard to scale. (remember the days when newspapers and magazines recommended websites?)
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[Mike]
Lol, I remember when there were so few websites that Wired would publish announcements of new ones.
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[social]
The https://ooh.directory a service that already surfaces over 2,400 blogs and when they update. It was the first service doing this. It was created by long term blogger Phil Gyford.
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osteophage
Lots of related projects cataloged here: https://indieweb.org/discovery
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[social]
The nice thing about ooh.directory is it also works like RSS. It is categorized, but also has regional filters, posts per month, post recency, and more. There are a lot of stats, like for things linked to.
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