#indieweb 2026-09-21
2026-09-21 UTC
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jefedeltodos_ Hello
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# tdrayson Hey
# jefedeltodos_ Cool. I am just checking out how to log in via IRC...
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# .kiseki_miracle Hello o/
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WinnerWind jefedeltodos_: received! (i'm an irc user)
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# Krutazhaba Hi I'm planning to maybe find a better alternative to neocities with some space and audio.
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# yanglake__ hello indieweb
# yanglake__ i will be overhauling my site after 4 years
# yanglake__ yay
# yanglake__ learning digital painting and blender because i always wanted to have my own assets
# yanglake__ probably using a static site
# yanglake__ no more nextjs
# yanglake__ so happy
# WinnerWind Krutazhaba: what kind of resources do you have? are you willing to invest in a webserver + domain? (about 10 - 15$ per month + a bit of a learning curve)
# WinnerWind or would you prefer more of an all-in-one solution?
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# yanglake__ i already got a domain for 20$ per year, thinking of moving to neocities
# WinnerWind xD, yeah that makes sense
# WinnerWind i ended up liking my domain so much that i ended up spluring and going with the 10 year plan with my registrar
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "EuroBSDCon 2026: conference notes" https://jan.systems/posts/eurobsdcon-2026-conf-notes/
# kal_jan nice, that's my first successful webmention sent ^
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[capjamesg] Congrats!
# [capjamesg] kal_jan++
# kal_jan ty
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# [capjamesg] https://inclusivedesign24.org/2026/schedule/ is on the 24th of September. It looks like a great schedule!
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# [social] Categories are more established and you select from them (you can add, edit, and curate them) but are aimed at having a set list. Categories are aimed at being a means to find similar posts (things shared) in your own site. Tags are more ad hoc and as a site grows you likely want to move toward a category approach. But, tags also are hooks from not only within the site, but can be used to aggregate from beyond your site as well.
# [social] Think of a tag as initially aimed as something for one’s self (with the exception of communal aggregation). Categories are for ourselves and our readers and provide some consistency. Both often need metadata healing as terms shift over time, and often more rapidly than people notice.
# [social] Singular vs plural is up to the individual, but it is usually best to pick one. Often objects are seen as plural, such as books and movies in a collection, but disciplines and concepts are singular.
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# [social] Some platforms allow for metadata healing, where book and books are synonyms and lead to the same aggregation page within the site. Or taking something like user experience, UX, user-centered design, etc. and have one master aggregation for them. Lexicographical drift is real and it helps to manage it, if you can.
# [social] [tantek] you and me both. I’ve have done keynote presentations, lead expert workshops, done grad school lectures, and been invited speaker at academic conferences and symposia on this and other subjects. But, I find I’ve not written this or other things up. I’ve gone to point to things in posts recently and the foundation pieces aren’t there. I have a large set of posts to tackle. Many would end up on http://PersonalInfoCloud.com, but li
# [social] would also post on http://vanderwal.net as well.
# [capjamesg] Re: plurals vs. singular. In some cases there may be a meaningful distinction between the singular and plural? I have an “Events” category which feels right because it collectively represents events I have been to and hosted. Whereas “Event” feels like it might be more appropriate for announcing an event?
# [capjamesg] Looking at my categories, I have a mix of plurals and singular. I think I tend to lean toward plurals though.
# [capjamesg] But not always 🙃
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# [social] They don’t need to all be singular or plural. On my PIC site I have 5 plurals with my two lenses collections, standards, tools, and weblogs (huh?, oh 2003 raises its head).
# [social] One of the reasons I have been slowly working to add definitions to my category pages on http://vanderwal.net.
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[trovster] Ah, yeah. I see categories as a Taxonomy and tags as a Folksonomy. For example: https://www.trovster.com/movies/id:4688/the-end-of-oak-street the "genres" are drama, sci-fi, and thriller, all well-known, well-defined and would be a "category". Annoyingly, I have called movies tags "categories", but they're more wishy-washy… like "giant-snake" ha.
# [social] The official definition of folksonomy - https://vanderwal.net/folksonomy.html
# [social] [trovster] your example on The End of Oak Street works well as a mix with genre as categories and tags for emergent terms
# [social] I’ve never seen Loqi do that before
# [social] folksonomy is a term in the OED, dare I say it isn’t jargon
# [social] It was put in OED in 2011 or so.
# [social] I misread what Loqi was doing, I read it as, “hey trovster, vanderwal has a response for you” not the “take this elsewhere.
# tdrayson Oh jeez! I feel like I opened a can of worms.... See, that's interesting because my site doesn't allow categories, as I made tags a global attribute that any entry can have. It's not just limited to articles, but I didn't want top-level categories, I kind of just use them sparingly, I guess, i guess like categories.
# [trovster] Well, if you curate them, they'd be a taxonomy of tags or categories. Flickr is a good example of folksonomy for tags. But you can call them whatever you like - see the “genre” and “category” on my movies, which are like categories (taxonomy) and tags (folksonomy).
# tdrayson Would a playlist you create on Spotify be focused on me?
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# tdrayson Folksonomy**
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# tdrayson Trying to figure out the differences
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# [trovster] Not sure I understand the question. If you “labelled” the playlist “Rock” that'd be a category. You could also “label” it “car vibes” or “11th birthday party” and I'd consider those tags.
# [social] The thing is for it to be a folksonomy the identity of the person that tagged it needs to be clear. Flickr hides the person who adds a tag, but also only surfaces one person’s tag, not multiple people using the same tag. In the past on Flickr if a tag existed already on a photo you could also add it, so that your tag collection would get you to that photo. But, that is now harder to do, or has been removed.
# [social] You can also curate tags. Taxonomy is a collective hope of capturing what something is called brodly. A folksonomy is a singular individuals understand and application of a tag term. That is what separates it apart. That is exactly why the word was coined, it is a different method with a drastically different focus.
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# [social] @tdrayson that Spotify list could be a folksonomy if the use of the list is to capture is to capture and give meaning in your vocabulary, if you call things “sleepy jazz” and it means something, that would fall into a folksonomic framing. If it is to give it a fun name, then not so much. I have a playlist “beige ficus” that could fit in both or neither, which is fine.
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# tdrayson Awesome thanks for explaining
# [social] You are welcome
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# [social] I have a quick comparison table I’ve used for years in presentations on the strengths and detractors of each (folksonomy & taxonomy) that is mostly aimed at the information science crowd
# jefedeltodos_ I am curious if anyone in this community has thought about how to block or impede ai scrapers from using your content as training material?
# jefedeltodos_ I know you can add a robots.txt and a copyright notice that explicitly stated note for use as training material.
# jefedeltodos_ *not for use
# Loqi Large language model traffic is (AKA LLM crawling or AI scraping) the phenomenon of web requests made by LLM operators to ingest data for use in training AI models, or to answer user queries in “search” mode (like ChatGPT Search), which tend to ignore robots directives and overwhelm personal blogs, community sites, and other smaller websites https://indieweb.org/LLM_traffic
# jefedeltodos_ Awesome! Ty
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