#dev 2016-07-13

2016-07-13 UTC
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GWG Evening
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aaronpk I really wanted to avoid using a CSS framework for the IRC logs but I'm getting to the point that I think it might be worth it
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aaronpk dealing with this header bar is annoying by hand
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aaronpk ooh maybe i can use this http://www.adtile.me/fixed-nav/
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miklb GWG might be getting into dev talk :) What do you mean mapping to post meta?
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GWG I want to create a class that accepts a post_id or a post object and allows outputting jf2 and mf2
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miklb then what, store it as meta fields?
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GWG Everything that isn't an existing post object property
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miklb a bit above my skill set, but makes sense. Are you having trouble or just slow going?
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GWG I just decided to do it this week.
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miklb ah.
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GWG As an enhancement to one of my plugins that could have use beyond it.
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GWG I've been trying to design it in my mind.
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miklb yeah, that can be the hardest part. Project I'm working on that requires post2post I finally had to do a mind map so I can almost physically draw the connections
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GWG Well, I have written and rewritten things dozens of times. I'd like to not rewrite this because I'm hoping it will be adopted by others.
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miklb I understand. Just meant that sometimes physically mapping out the connections can help visual
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calumryan.com edited /events/2016-07-13-homebrew-website-club (+15) "/* Regrets */" (view diff)
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@webrocker meh, the incoming webmentions via brid.gy don't get the correct "type" (like/repost/…) anymore when they appear as "comments" in my blog (twitter.com/_/status/753163646365208576)
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GWG Morning
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@voxpelli And https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ is back, with large code changes, new node.js version etc. Realtimeness restored: https://twitter.com/voxpelli/status/753228139279572992/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/753228139279572992)
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@voxpelli @kevinmarks @sil @miklb Just updated my Webmention endpoint with some large code changes. Can you keep an eye out for any weirdness? (twitter.com/_/status/753228996586967040)
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GWG voxpelli: What does it do now?
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voxpelli GWG: two things: 1. it works on latest version of node.js and with the latest version of the microformat parser 2. it is now prepared for basic Salmention functionality
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voxpelli the preparing for Salmention required some substantial refactoring
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voxpelli (and a bonus change: I moved to a common js coding standard so I had to change lots of the coding style as well)
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voxpelli GWG: if you can send me a Webmention on http://voxpelli.com/ – front page or a post of some kind – then I could see that it still seems to work there :)
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GWG What should I say? Hmm...
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voxpelli "1-2-3 testing testing, is this thing on?" ;)
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GWG Done
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voxpelli GWG: what did you mention?
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GWG Homepage
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voxpelli GWG: can you see if your webmention got sent correctly? I can see now POST to my endpoint in my logs :/
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voxpelli I can see two GET requests
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GWG Well, not effectively. I don't log outgoing.
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voxpelli hmm
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voxpelli GWG: it got through when I manually sent the ping, thanks!
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GWG voxpelli: There is a reason I'm sending PRs to try and change the webmention plugin. One of the ones on my list is logging.
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voxpelli GWG: I'm creating an issue for it so that there's a note on the benefits of it :)
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GWG I'm looking. I think it might be my wp-cron job.
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GWG The webmention plugin uses a _mentionme post meta tag. It is still on the post.
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voxpelli I may perhaps have gotten a ping from at 14.51 UTC
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kodfabrik.se edited /deduplication (+14) "Fix redirect pointing wrong" (view diff)
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@hmans @halfbyte Would hugely prefer IndieAuth, but it's sharing most of the same issues. (twitter.com/_/status/753268504418279424)
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@aaronpk @hmans How so? The nice part is IndieAuth is vastly simpler than OpenID so there are already several auth servers, incl built-in ones (twitter.com/_/status/753273829116383236)
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KevinMarks_ Minor thing with chat.indieweb.org - if multiple tabs are yellow, and you click one, the others stop being yellow
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aaronpk Heh
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GWG Afternoon
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GWG How do people log their Webmentions?
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aaronpk I store them in a database 🙈
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GWG aaronpk, I meant outgoing, not incoming? Do you keep logs?
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aaronpk oh, I send mine using Telegraph, and it keeps logs
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GWG aaronpk, what level of detail?
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miklb the jekyll plugin I use creates a cache of sent & received mentions
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bear I log mine to disk as json, a redis entry and to the app log that handles them
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GWG Yes, but what level of detail?
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GWG I am trying to figure out what to do after this morning.
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GWG Where voxpelli didn't get my webmention.
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bear in my app log I record all of the things relevant to the receiving: domain, vouch, auth items and the json of what will be stored in redis
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bear then in redis I store the session id info and the webmention "task"
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bear and then in the static generator I move that task to an archive and then write that json to a disk as a cache
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miklb hmm. My sent only logs the source and target URLs
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bear it allows me to recreate or rollback any event using the command line
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GWG I think my problem is wp-cron
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bear (yes, probably overboard, but I am an ops person)
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sknebel timestamp + HTTP response + if it exists status URL would be useful to log as well I think
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bear this is where I create the json data that I store: https://github.com/bear/kaku/blob/master/kaku/mentions.py#L107
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sknebel (and of course if possible any low-level errors you encounter, like "host not found", "unsupported TLS cipher", "invalid TLS certificate)
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sknebel (in my case, it's a text log that contains the python traceback if something breaks)
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bear same :)
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GWG Do you ever get alerted to failures?
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sknebel I don't use my site enough, so I'm still manually checking every time because I don't quite believe yet that it works :/
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sknebel (but good point, need to plan some feedback mechanism)
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GWG I am trying to troubleshoot an existing problem, but prepare for future ones.
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aaronpk Here's what my sending status shows https://aaronparecki.com/media/file-20160713193639-91957.png
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aaronpk for a successful webmention: https://aaronparecki.com/media/file-20160713193751-88098.png
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GWG aaronpk, how often do you need to check them?
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aaronpk not often, mostly if I think something went wrong
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GWG And you purge?
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aaronpk no
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GWG Interesting
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gRegorLove GWG: send queue is in the db. Fields: source, target, vouch, processwire page id, created, modified, processed. Last 3 are datetime fields.
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aaronpk you don't store the results?
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gRegorLove I log a lot of things to flat file "initiated sending from [url] to [url]", "no endpoint found for [url]" I log the http response code when sent, serialized post parameters, and response body.
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gRegorLove And "error sending from [url] to [url]" if I don't get a 20x code.
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gRegorLove No automated retry yet.
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gRegorLove I'm in the process of reworking it a bit, so I can re-send to URLs that were removed, to pass that webmention.rocks test.
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gRegorLove The send queue in the db makes that relatively easy, thankfully
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bear if I get more than one webmention a month I might consider alerting to failure ;)
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@kragen @coreload @leastfixedpoint Webmention is for federating servers, not eliminating them (twitter.com/_/status/753330804143644672)
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