#dev 2016-07-18

2016-07-18 UTC
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KevinMarks_ Indiewebifying someone's long term site, and learning lots of ways to embed things as urls.
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KevinMarks_ If you want to look, lifewithalacrity.github.io - don't link to it yet
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KevinMarks_ But let me know if you see problems
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miklb stylistically, I'd add some line height to the excerpts (p-summary) on the home page and if you're not planning on using the sidebar on the articles, I'd center them and maybe give them a little more width
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KevinMarks The layout is based on http://edwardtufte.github.io/tufte-css/
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KevinMarks I need to tweak it a bit more, yes
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KevinMarks I may tweak more of the content into the sidebar. I did just do that on my own site
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KevinMarks Of you go to http://www.kevinmarks.com on a wide enough screen, the comments are in the right margin
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KevinMarks I need to fix the layout of the quoted people bits to use a consistent margin in this style for the hovercards
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+13) "next HWC including London!" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+108) "HWC London & LA are back next week" (view diff)
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jkphl.is edited /2016/Brighton (+34) "/* Participating */" (view diff)
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@Inkwater_Masha 6 Tips for Doing More With Less #writetip #amwriting #indieauth http://mythcreants.com/blog/six-tips-for-doing-more-with-less/?platform=hootsuite (twitter.com/_/status/755035591985815552)
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david.shanske.com edited /User:David.shanske.com (+100) (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /comments-presentation (+652) "Articles, Guardian analysis of their comments" (view diff)
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tantek updating my CSP to allow object-src https://indieweb.org
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cmal.info edited /grav (+2714) "Added more info about Grav and the current Indieweb status" (view diff)
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cmal.info created /Template:cmal (+162) "Created my user template" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /in-reply-to_preview (+26) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2016-07-27-homebrew-website-club (+54) "/* RSVP */ add pdx urls" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC2/Planning (+68) "/* See Also */ see also planning for 2016 NYC in January" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC2/Planning (+124) "/* Outreach */ to previous participants also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC2/Planning (+103) "/* Outreach */ Sandro was at IWC 2014 East" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC2/Planning (+94) "/* Outreach */ reached out" (view diff)
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tantek petermolnar: re: https://www.rarst.net/wordpress/technical-responsibility/ specifically the PHP 5.2 issue, is it really so bad to insist on 5.2 compat for any particular PHP "solution" or "library"?
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tantek seems like a good policy to maintain some number of PHP past versions backward compat while always making sure to also run on the latest PHP "official" release
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tantek pretty sure I've kept cassis.js compat with PHP 5.2 AFAIK
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tantek certainly I can say it works with 5.4 and 5.5
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miklb you're not expected to know how to fix your car, but you should know what type of oil goes in it
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miklb so knowing what version of php your shared server is running isn't something out of the norm if you want to host your own website
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miklb since the convo moved :)
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miklb Also, support for php 5.5 ended a year ago, 5.6 ends this year
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aaronpk php is moving so fast now!
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miklb that's for active support. Security support for 5.5 ended 8 days ago, 5.6 will get security fixes until 2018
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miklb http://php.net/supported-versions.php
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miklb seems like a big push to move everyone to 7.0, 5.6 if some odd legacy code holding back
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tantek doesn't seem like web hosts keep up with that schedule
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tantek makes me wonder how they figure out their release / maintenance schedule
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miklb it was pulling teeth to get hosts to get off of php 4. Took big projects LIKE WP to force them to get off their money counters and upgrade
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tantek right, it seems like there is some sort of inertia at work, and I'm curious about the trade-off / balance between WP PHP backcompat and hosting services holding out
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tantek I don't really understand the dynamic
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tantek (especially given security is an issue, I would expect that would provide sufficient incentive all around)
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miklb I honestly don't know what politics are at play in not forcing the issue, but I do know it's constant point of disagreement within the WP community
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tantek seems like this would be enough of a recurring issue for there to be some process that developed around it, instead of it being a political re-battle each time
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tantek I mean if not, perhaps there are lessons to learn there for other PHP projects, should they get big enough
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miklb yeah, I don't know what Drupal does. I think they have a separate branch for php 7 though
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KevinMarks_ This was a selling point for go based tools for me. It's a compiled binary, so doesn't have a huge dependency penumbra.
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC2/Planning (+45) "Outreach: Scott Beale" (view diff)
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tantek KevinMarks if you have more ideas for NYC folks we should personally reach out to for IWC NYC2 - please add! https://indieweb.org/2016/NYC2/Planning#Outreach
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC2/Planning (+14) "/* Outreach */ Julie Logan" (view diff)