#dev 2016-08-24

2016-08-24 UTC
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GWG !tell petermolnar I agree
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi GWG: petermolnar left you a message 4 hours, 51 minutes ago: these things really shouldn't need to exist: https://wordpress.org/plugins/ssl-insecure-content-fixer/ :( - and it's actually _still_ needed
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tantek !tell aaronpk looks like my "mention" of your post illustrated a copule of de-dupe opportunities https://aaronparecki.com/2016/08/23/2/micropub-cr##Other+Mentions
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Micropub CR
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@levena_evenas @levena_evenas webmentionには４つの実装があるんだけどこんなかだと一番refbackがよさそう (twitter.com/_/status/768351457124900864)
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@levena_evenas Webmention - Wikipedia https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/768350688757714944)
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tantek good morning #indieweb-dev!
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tantek the 10k challenge really has me thinking
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tantek like about incremental steps towards a 10k site
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tantek e.g. max 10k HTML returned for homepage and permalink pages
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tantek has anyone attempted this or do this already? seems like a reasonable goal
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rascul why 10k? it would certainly be doable though, if you're only counting html
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rascul probably wouldn't be able to display entire posts on your feed though, would have to summarize or just not content
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rascul if you want to could images, css, etc then the site will probably be kinda bland and boring
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rascul s/could/count/
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tantek rascul, yes, either summarize only, or summarize statically, and then lazy load entire post content
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tantek re: images, css etc. hence why I said start with just a goal of ≤10k for the HTML
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rascul i'm doing a summary type thing for mine, i just grab up to the third </p> and that's what i'll display on the feed
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rascul and it looks like with one real post and a few test posts i'm at 6.5k
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tantek interesting
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rascul although there's lots of markup
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rascul https://rascul.xyz/index
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tantek re: why 10k: https://a-k-apart.com/
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tantek rascul, get your whole site up to 10k initial load and enter it ;)
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rascul tbh i'm not really interested in it, just curious
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rascul for p-adr in an h-card, can i just include the address ie "123 fourth street, apple city, kansas"
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rascul splitting that up into p-street-address, p-postal-code, p-locality, etc will be a bit of a pain for me to do whenever i want to put a location on a post
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tantek yes you can do that
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tantek it's one of the reasons we simplified that in microformats2 - because the pain point you noted
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tantek it makes it easier to "just" publish a simple string p-adr
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tantek and later if you decide to (e.g. via automated templating or something), you can add more nested structure "p-adr h-adr" etc.
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tantek or just separate properties
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rascul https://rascul.xyz/checkin-simple.txt https://rascul.xyz/checkin-complex.txt
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rascul the simple version is much easier to me to handle normally, butg the complex version i might implement so i can go back later and make it more complete like you said
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miklb aaronpk I noticed a Quill post converted < > to &lt; &gt; would that be my micropub endpoint doing that or Quill?
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aaronpk in the plaintext note page?
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 10 hours, 35 minutes ago: looks like my "mention" of your post illustrated a copule of de-dupe opportunities https://aaronparecki.com/2016/08/23/2/micropub-cr##Other+Mentions
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aaronpk or the HTML editor?
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miklb plaintext
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aaronpk pretty sure quill doesn't modify what you enter there
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miklb thanks. I'll investigate with the micropub endpoint
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ChrisAldrich tantek: From earlier Wallabag is an open source version of services like Instapaper and Pocket. see also /read_later
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tantek let's try that again
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tantek what is Wallabag?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Wallabag" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek go for it ChrisAldrich :)
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ChrisAldrich Wallabag is an open source version of bookmarking read it later services like Instapaper and Pocket.
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ChrisAldrich Loqi?
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rascul you had a space at the beginning
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rascul maybe that threw off Loqi
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tantek definitely
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ChrisAldrich Wallabag is an open source version of bookmarking read it later services like Instapaper and Pocket.
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Loqi ok
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cmal https://github.com/idno/Known/issues/1351
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cmal is there any issue/documentation on multi-user Indieauth on Known apart from this issue?
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GWG Owning my bookmarks is on my list of things to do.
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ChrisAldrich rascul: my email address (and more) is on www.boffosocko.com as well as my h-card re:keybase. Thanks in advance.
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rascul ok
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rascul sent
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rascul oh i guess it doesn't need an email address anymore, i can just give a link
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rascul anyone else want keybase.io invite? i have 14 left still
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ChrisAldrich thanks rascul!
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ChrisAldrich GWG: You've got all of the infrastructure for owning your bookmarks already!!
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ChrisAldrich I think wallabag does the additional scraping to keep all the content within the page for reading later offline as well though.
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GWG Chrisaldrich, I know, but it isn't as smooth as I would like it.
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ChrisAldrich I have that same itch and have been working on a bigger layout for a more indeweb-centric approach to all reading things...
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ChrisAldrich Does anyone actually use the bookmark functionality on their site to actually come back to material to read it later? I get the impression that most people use it as a "decoration" of something they found interesting (and possibly shared) but may not have actually read it or have any intention to come back and read it.
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ChrisAldrich I suspect most of us here probably do the first, but research indicates that Facebook users are predominantly of the second sort.
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aaronpk I do!
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aaronpk and now that I have search, it's easier to find things!
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miklb aaronpk what does csrf_detected when trying to login to Quill via GitHub in IndieAuth mean? This is my Fluid instance
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sknebel I use most bookmarking tools (not on my site yet) with the intention of finding stuff again later. sucess to actually do so is limited, often googling is quicker :/ (personalized search engine would be the thing I want it seems)
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aaronpk miklb: weird! i think that means cookies are confused
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miklb googles clearing cookies in Fluid
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ChrisAldrich aaronpk, and what do you do after you've read your bookmarks? tag them as read? change the post-type?
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rMdes sknebel, I do this quite well with my known; since it has search built-in - I always find what I bookmarked
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GWG I want to replace Pinboard
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aaronpk ChrisAldrich: actually i guess it's more of a reference for me rather than an in/out queue
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ChrisAldrich GWG: do you want private bookmarks, public, or both?
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rMdes using both
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ChrisAldrich I really like the general ux/ui of Mendeley.com and the sync with their desktop application for bookmarking and overall reading flow.
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ChrisAldrich The problem is that it's built primarily with journal/research articles in mind (and that I don't OWN it).
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miklb aaronpk deleting cookies allowed me to authenticate with indieauth, but it didn't re-direct me back to Quill, which is weird, because I was able to do this before.
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rMdes checking out Mendeley.com
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rMdes err can't install this on my archlinux laptop
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rascul why not?
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ChrisAldrich rMdes, the desktop apps are nice to have, but most of their functionality is available through their web interface.
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miklb aaronpk I switched to sharing cookies with Safari, and it worked this time. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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rMdes ChrisAldrich, thanks but in fact : http://imgur.com/KjOEYkR
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rMdes it's on the community AUR library :) I just love Arch communuty, amazing ability to have a package build of mostly everything sooner or later :)
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ChrisAldrich fancy! I haven't looked at it a while, but they were also building mobile apps for it too.
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rMdes yup, iOs and Android app available
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rMdes going to check it out just to see how it works, not sure I need this but I want to see how it all sync together
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rMdes rascul, I was wrong :)
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aaronpk miklb: glad you got it working
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aaronpk sometimes i want to 🔥 the whole things
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aaronpk login is complicated
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bear aaronpk - I cleared all the indieauth and indieweb.org cookies, still got the redirect to wrong spot when logging in issue
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aaronpk bah okay
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aaronpk can you document that in a github issue?
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aaronpk with steps to reproduce
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bear I will tonight when I can focus on getting clear reproduce steps
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aaronpk it takes me a while to context switch in to tracking down bugs like that
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bear yep - was just typing "nothing urgent, totally fine later when you have focus time"
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bear my hunch is that this is going to be a "do it now" log watching party
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk i hope not
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aaronpk i got dns.he.net set up as a slave for indieweb.org
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aaronpk redundant DNS ftw
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gRegorLove pokes Loqi for the wiki edit
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Loqi gRegorLove: ben_thatmust left you a message 2 days, 3 hours ago: thanks, whitelist link had an error, its fixed now.
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cmal aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 1102 karma (10 in this channel)
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bear aaronpk++ for increasing the opsy levels
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Loqi aaronpk has 1103 karma (11 in this channel)
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aaronpk we need an opsmark
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tantek heh
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snarfed re http://a-k-apart.com/ , it's interesting that they've clearly tried to minimize that site itself too, and its html is just 6.3K, but with css it's 28K total
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sknebel snarfed: and with all the images and JS and stuff it's 200K or so (but apparently depending on the screen resolution etc)
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rMdes quite a challenge
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rMdes I wish some Known users would be willing to explore how to minimize Known JS/CSS load
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snarfed rMdes: you're talking about https://a-k-apart.com/ ? doesn't look 200k to me. apart from html and css, only two images, and one 404s :P
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rMdes I'm willing, but not enough known-how to modify it without messing it up
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snarfed also evidently the 10k limit is after gzipping (https://a-k-apart.com/faq#gzip), so maybe their site works with that
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sknebel right now I only see 70k loaded, but I'm not sure if stuff they cache in their service worker counts towards that, since I loaded the page before
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snarfed ah true, i wasn't counting their js
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snarfed looks like 31K of JS, mostly GA
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snarfed anyway
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ChrisAldrich pgp
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ChrisAldrich that was an odd window focus-change...
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tantek snarfed read the FAQ. it's about preload, before JS lazy load, and lowest resolution images per picture element etc.
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snarfed tantek: yes, i read it. i was comparing their site to the rules, which is probably unfair since i don't think they claim it fits
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snarfed but their site definitely is optimized and minified, if not strictly <10k
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tantek they do!
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tantek their site, compressed, JS-off, min-res images is <10k
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snarfed ahhh true JS off
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tantek hence "before JS lazy load"
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tantek that's my point
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snarfed yes, i know
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tantek still a very impressive feat
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snarfed so without JS, their html plus its two css files is 28K
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tantek compressed its likely <10k
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snarfed right
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tantek especially with the requirement that it *works* without JS
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snarfed the gzip part is definitely a gift
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tantek instead of just being a thin JS loader wrapper
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GWG Chrisaldrich, both.
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ChrisAldrich GWG are you live-streaming parts of NYC2?
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GWG Yes, have enough old laptops for several rooms.
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gRegorLove Just noticed the logs bold those on /irc-people. Nice
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aaronpk haha yep! that's why I added the +voice thing here, so that they match
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Loqi hehe
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tantek aaronpk we may need your expertise to help people add micropub support this weekend if you're available to remotely participate!
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aaronpk ooh
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tantek hoping GWG can setup remote participation with 2-way video
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aaronpk checks
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aaronpk pdx is 3 hours behind...
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tantek this is the first IWC with Micropub as a CR so it's pretty critical to get implementation feedback ASAP
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aaronpk i'm getting on a plane at 1pm PDT on sunday which is 4pm there
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aaronpk so that works out pretty well!
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aaronpk i'll get up early to join for the morning, and then during your lunch I'll go to the airport and rejoin from there
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aaronpk hm loqi forgot how to report wiki edits
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gRegorLove gives Loqi the wiki edits
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Loqi Thanks, gRegorLove!
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gRegorLove anytime
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aaronparecki.com edited /p3k (+137) "/* Itching */" (view diff)
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aaronpk thanks Loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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KevinMarks_ Doesn't dev_appserver come with gae launcher?
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snarfed KevinMarks_: you mean the mac app? no
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snarfed i don't really use the mac app though. cmd line dev_appserver is fine
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KevinMarks_ I quite like the Mac app
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KevinMarks_ All this dependency fetching
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snarfed yuuuup
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snarfed reuse++
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snarfed dependencies--
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sknebel on that note, I discovered today that if I install the debian tools to build a new kernel it installs a few hundred MB of LaTeX utilities
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snarfed pip list says bridgy depends on 32 python packages. which is...not small...but not *too* big....
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KevinMarks_ This is a lot of yak barbering to change a link colour
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KevinMarks_ Now it says database is locked 🔒 p
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snarfed KevinMarks_: i can help if you give me more details
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snarfed alternatively feel free to spider or d/l the front page and a user page, change style.css in place, and test that way against plain html
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KevinMarks_ I could send a pull request to bootstrap
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snarfed lol. you could! maybe start with just bridgy :P
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