#dev 2016-09-14

2016-09-14 UTC
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gRegorLove KevinMarks_: Made a new building block for one-way rel-me validation, returns JSON with result: true/false and secure: true/false Demo it at http://gregoreatworld.com/indiewebify-me/web/validate-links-to/?url1=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2F&url2=http%3A%2F%2Fflickr.com%2Ftantek%2F
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gRegorLove Thinking I can improve the rel-me check by using that
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gRegorLove Working for the examples in https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/issues/54
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KevinMarks_ Take a mustbesecure parameter?
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gRegorLove Thinking through one-way rel-me validation and what "secure" means... With http://gregoreatworld.com/indiewebify-me/web/validate-links-to/?url1=http://gregorlove.com/&url2=http://twitter.com/gregorlove
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gRegorLove My site redirects to https, and the rel-me link is to https twitter.
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gRegorLove Thinking the "secure" in the result should only be if url2 is http, but redirects to https?
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gRegorLove *only be false, I mean.
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gRegorLove Or is it correct to say false with that link ^ because the asserted url2 is not linked securely?
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gRegorLove Eh, guess shouldn't really be fetching url2 or redirecting at all for a one-way check
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gRegorLove So I think I'll leave 'secure' as whether the scheme of the asserted url2 matches the rel-me link found in url1
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gRegorLove Oh, have to follow redirects, forgot t.co.
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gRegorLove Ok, enough thinking for tonight.
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Zegnat KevinMarks, sorry for not getting back to you yesterday. But I was playing vegetable on the couch in 30 degCelsius and did not move much ;) I will be trying to set-up HEAD requests with fetch() today and try to run the requests synchronised after each other.
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Zegnat If that works out I will put the entire thing on GitHub for scrutiny.
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KevinMarks Nice. I think we can do well with multiple implementations
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KevinMarks That helps us converge on what matters
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KevinMarks Redirect from https to http matters more for indieauth than rel me mapping
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Zegnat Yeah, I think I will ignore those for now. First going to focus on actually resolving redirects in as neat a manner as possible
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@kevinmarks @libel_vox http://webmention.herokuapp.com works with jekyll (twitter.com/_/status/775951663144112128)
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@voxpelli @libel_vox @kevinmarks My site is Jekyll and uses that webmention endpoint of mine: https://github.com/voxpelli/voxpelli.github.com (twitter.com/_/status/775971990456991744)
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cweiske.de created /Micropub/Clients (+4387) "move micropub clients to own page" (view diff)
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cweiske.de edited /Micropub () "(-4310) /* Clients */ link to clients list" (view diff)
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cweiske.de created /Category:Micropub (+26) "Created page with "[[Micropub]] related pages"" (view diff)
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cweiske.de created /Micropub/Servers (+5960) "move micropub endpoints/servers to own page" (view diff)
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cweiske.de edited /Micropub () "(-5874) /* Examples */ move servers out to separate page." (view diff)
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cweiske.de edited /Micropub/Clients (+60) "list shpub" (view diff)
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cweiske do we have icons in the wiki? (green checkmark, red cross etc)
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Loqi cweiske: tantek left you a message 13 hours, 30 minutes ago: thanks for the ping on https://github.com/w3c/Micropub/issues/48 - followed up on that and the related h-entry issue with hopefully a sufficient explanation. Likely worthy of an FAQ.
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cweiske.de edited /Micropub/Servers (+383) "table with implementation status" (view diff)
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cweiske.de edited /Micropub/Servers (+118) "/* Implementation status */" (view diff)
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cweiske !tell kylewm maybe you can add the micropub implementation status for silo.pub at https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Servers#Implementation_status?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cweiske !tell snarfed maybe you can add the micropub implementation status for silo.pub at https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Servers#Implementation_status?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar cweiske I don't like the ideas of batchmentions
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cweiske :)
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cweiske.de uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:wordpress-simple-location-frontend.png]]""
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cweiske.de edited /location (+284) (view diff)
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ignaciodenuevo.com edited /2016/Brighton (+63) "/* Participating */" (view diff)
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cweiske.de uploaded /File:instagram_location.png "instagram.com showing the location a photo was taken"
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cweiske.de edited /location (+206) "instagram" (view diff)
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KevinMarks Cweiske my checkmark and red cross are inline svg
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KevinMarks See https://github.com/indieweb/verify-me/blob/master/chrome-extension/verify.js
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KevinMarks (the 2 long lines)
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KevinMarks Or http://svgur.com/s/9p and http://svgur.com/s/AE
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Loqi verified tick http://svgur.com/i/9p.svg
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cweiske hm. maybe as template in mediawiki.
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cweiske {{x}} and {{/}}
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KevinMarks What did you want them for?
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cweiske.de edited /Micropub/Servers (+3) "/* Implementation status */" (view diff)
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kodfabrik.se edited /Micropub/Servers (+134) "/* Implementation status */ Document implementation status of my endpoint" (view diff)
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cweiske I tried the wordpress simple-location plugin with micropub. the location gets saved, but not displayed at all since the setting "Display Text Location" defaults to "off"
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voxpelli cweiske: feel free to update the implementation status of my endpoint if you try it out
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cweiske ok
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jkphl.is edited /events/2016-09-14-homebrew-website-club (+22) "/* Nürnberg */" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /database-antipattern (+63) "KevinMarks added "https://github.com/gfredericks/quinedb/blob/master/README.md" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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aaronpk I just realized there's no way to do OAuth Device Auth for IndieWeb sites without running a server side component that the device trusts
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aaronpk since the first step of IndieAuth is asking the user who they are in order to find their authorization server
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aaronpk there's no way to get their URL on a device with no keyboard
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aaronpk Devices that have a keyboard that don't have a web browser can still work though
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tantek how is "get their URL on a device" any different from "get their email on a device" ?
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tantek or "get their username on a device"?
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aaronpk it's the same as "get their email on a device" but different from "username" because getting a username implies the device already knows the service the username is for
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aaronpk if you're trying to authorize a device to upload to your youtube account, the device knows the only way it can do that is to go to youtube's OAuth API which it has prior knowledge of
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aaronpk if you're trying to authorize a device to post to your own website, it has no way of knowing *which* OAuth API to use until it asks you to identify yourself (by entering your URL) and then it can find your endpoints
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@Bookgal @goodreads Giveaways Just Got Even Better! @AmazonKindle Ebook #giveaways Now Available. How exciting! https://www.goodreads.com/blog/show/645-goodreads-giveaways-just-got-even-better-kindle-ebook-giveaways-now-ava #indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/776121456543539201)
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bear for chandler we, if I recall correctly code from that far back ..., we used a token that had the url embedded and used it as a onetime token to enable retrieving a longer lived one
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aaronparecki.com created /device-auth (+715) "Created page with "{{stub}} '''<dfn>Device Auth</dfn>''' is an OAuth 2.0 extension for logging in on devices that have limited input options or no web browser. == IndieWeb Examples == * ... == ..."" (view diff)
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bear but I don't know if that fits with what your trying to do
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cweiske.de edited /Micropub/Servers (+384) "/* Implementation status */ properties" (view diff)
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cweiske.de edited /Micropub/Servers (+27) "/* Implementation status */ links" (view diff)
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cweiske aaronpk, "The request MUST also include either a replace, add or delete property containing the updates to make."
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cweiske does that mean only one of those is allowed?
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aaronpk good question, I remember some discussion of that a while ago
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tantek just added h-cite markup to the list of XOXO posts in my most recent blog post: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://tantek.com/2016/257/b1/xoxofest-overviews-personal-perspectives not sure how helpful that is, but there it is.
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tantek perhaps some tool that collects structured citations on pages you visit could gather these up and automatically pre-load or suggest further reading
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tantek s/these/the h-cite elements
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gRegorLove I did that with a tweet collection recently
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tantek question is, how hard / much of a pain is it to have to look potentially at any depth in the JSON for the "type": ["h-cite"]
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cweiske aaronpk, shall I open an issue?
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cweiske https://github.com/w3c/Micropub/issues/14 suggests all of them are allowed at once
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cweiske "The idea of the single "edit" is based on the idea of an "edit post", which is similar to a Github pull request. A pull request contains many changes, including replacing, adding and deleting content. "
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tantek aaronpk I vaguely remember that being a feature of micropub
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cweiske https://github.com/w3c/Micropub/issues/51
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upon2020.com edited /events/2016-09-14-homebrew-website-club (+11) "Added myself" (view diff)
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aaronpk I vaguely remember that too but now I am not sure if any implementations take advantage of it
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cweiske i'm just adding update support to shpub, so I'll find out if known and wordpress-micropub support it
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gRegorLove Ok, I'll try updating the composer.lock for indiewebify-me. It should work, since it's pointing to dev-master
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aaronpk If you install it locally and run composer update it should find the new version of the library
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aaronpk then when you commit that back it'll get deployed
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gRegorLove Cool
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KevinMarks That's better than the ci doing the update?
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aaronpk Yeah cause there's no guarantee updating deps won't break everything
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cweiske wordpress-micropub does not support JSON requests at all
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cweiske thus no update
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tantek cweiske: probably worth filing a feature request issue
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tantek I'm sure snarfed would consider it!
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cweiske known also does not support updates
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tantek that's *definitely* worth feature request issue and sharing here
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cweiske I've been filling known's issue tracker the last days with micropub issues
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tantek awesome
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cweiske.de edited /Micropub/Servers (+380) "/* Implementation status */ link bugs" (view diff)
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cweiske https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Servers#Implementation_status now links the bugs
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cweiske.de edited /Micropub/Servers (+61) "/* WordPress */ mention simple-location" (view diff)
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tantek cweiske++
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cweiske.de edited /Micropub/Servers (+178) "/* Implementation status */" (view diff)
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