#dev 2016-10-16

2016-10-16 UTC
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tantek what is Aurelia?
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Loqi tantek: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 1 day, 13 hours ago: I think we could make that work. since its a 1-day thing, we don't need nearly as much planning
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Aurelia" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek aaronpk I see you fixed your webmention form
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tantek note https://aaronparecki.com/2016/10/14/20/verified-checkins##Other+Mentions
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Brainstorming "verified" IndieWeb checkins
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tantek What is the guidance (if any) on how to process a webmention source that is a fragement?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "guidance (if any) on how to process a webmention source that is a fragement" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek ?
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aaronpk I don't think there needs to be any special processing of it?
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tantek use-case: source being old style blog permalinks where individual posts did not have their own pages, only a fragment ID permalink inside the archive for the month (or for N posts on a page)
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tantek special processing to consider: only look inside the element with the fragid for valid links to target
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tantek only look inside that same element (inclusive) for an h-entry to process as a "comment" etc.
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aaronpk That's a... very particular use case
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gRegorLove I thought receivers were to ignore fragments
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tantek not that particular - blog archives for many years were that way
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tantek and they still exist
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tantek with links to other blog posts
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tantek if those targets started supporting webmentions
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tantek and then decided to auto-send webmentions to incorporate threads then they'd want that level of precision
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aaronpk gRegorLove: the receiver ignores the fragment on the target when checking whether the target is supported
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tantek right, this is about a fragment on the source
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tantek e.g. https://aaronparecki.com/2016/10/14/20/verified-checkins##Other+Mentions
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Brainstorming "verified" IndieWeb checkins
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gRegorLove Interesting idea
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GWG Hello, gRegorLove
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gRegorLove Hey GWG
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GWG What's going on?
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gRegorLove Not much. Just listening to podcasts and staying dry. Lots of rain and wind up here this weekend.
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GWG I just drove a hundred miles. Now I'm in a basement back to writing code and content.
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GWG I'm thinking of exploring music
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KevinMarks A source fragment could be an old blog post (if it's very old it will be name, not id which is trickier)
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KevinMarks A target fragment could be a fragmention or id indicating where the mention points
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tantek KevinMarks: note the above attempted fragmention which doesn't actually "work"
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tantek your statement "will already work" is not true in practice until browsers or all sites deploy it
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tantek whereas auto-IDs work in all browsers today
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tantek without the user having to install anything
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tantek and without the user having to run the JS on a site
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KevinMarks They work by changing the site code? So they're purple numbers reborn?
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tantek what are purple numbers?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "purple numbers" yet. Would you like to create it?
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jkphl.is edited /2016/Berlin (+1026) "/* Blog posts */" (view diff)
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sebastianlasse.de edited /2016/Berlin (+7) "/* Participating */" (view diff)
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sknebel hm, Loqi sometimes brings up comments/interactions on posts to Known-based sites that are referenced by a fragment (and maybe don't even have a permalink, never checked)
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sebastianlasse.de edited /Etherpad (+45) "/* How to take notes during IndieWebCamp */" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell tantek I had the same idea of processing based on fragment some time ago. Without doing that you get hacks like making the body tag an h-* . This became a problem when i had my h-card in the header for me page. It was also impossible to reply to comments that were directly on someone's site (they have a form to take comments)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: that sounds different
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adactio.com edited /2016/LA/Guest_List (+237) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
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tantek play it for me Loqi
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Loqi tantek: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 9 hours, 29 minutes ago: I had the same idea of processing based on fragment some time ago. Without doing that you get hacks like making the body tag an h-* . This became a problem when i had my h-card in the header for me page. It was also impossible to reply to comments that were directly on someone's site (they have a form to take comments)
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: right!
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tantek did you document the idea when you got it somewhere on the wiki? this deserves brainstorming, exploration
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2016-10-19-homebrew-website-club (-375) "postpone pdx" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Instagram (+38) "/* Single Photo Bookmarklet */ needed some g, no need to create Regex object (shorter)" (view diff)
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