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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+459) "/* summary more text UI */ Loading my FB profile is super annoying because their web perf now sucks, additional copy edits / specifics" (view diff)
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jkphl.is edited /2016/Berlin (+511) "/* IndieWebCamp Hoodies */" (view diff)
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sebastianlasse.de edited /2016/Berlin (+28) "/* IndieWebCamp Hoodies */ styled now, ordered Hoodie" (view diff)
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sebastianlasse.de edited /2016/Berlin (+78) "/* Participating */ added car share note" (view diff)
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@AJMullican Looking for a chilling October read? Check out "Whispers of Death" at https://www.amazon.com/dp/B017FIWQMO ... Sex, murder, and gore galore! #indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/787995488968593408)
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@coreload w3c micropub https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/ (twitter.com/_/status/788004130388271105)
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell tantek I did not document it at the time it seems. Trying to find some instances where it came up. such as this. https://indieweb.org/irc/2015-04-23 it was an issue when liking home pages (were you liking the person or the feed, etc) though that can be solved slightly
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jkphl.is uploaded /File:IWC_Hoodie.jpg "IndieWebCamp hoodie as introduced on the IWC Berlin 2016"
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julian.foad.me.uk edited /Indie_Box (+19) "Link to UBOS website" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Accelerated_Mobile_Pages (+156) "/* IndieWeb Support */" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Accelerated_Mobile_Pages (+234) "+Criticism" (view diff)
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tantek switching to #indieweb-dev since markup minutae of AMP are irrelevant to any real world indieweb usage
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Loqi tantek: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 8 hours, 4 minutes ago: I did not document it at the time it seems. Trying to find some instances where it came up. such as this. https://indieweb.org/irc/2015-04-23 it was an issue when liking home pages (were you liking the person or the feed, etc) though that can be solved slightly
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tantek aaronpk, note https://www.ampproject.org/docs/reference/spec - the very first example, "Sample Document", has a big blob of JSONLD data-island (>256 bytes) that is completely unnecessary
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aaronpk oh gosh
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tantek and this is laughable:
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tantek "Metadata / It is encouraged that AMP HTML documents are annotated with standardized metadata: Open Graph Protocol, Twitter Cards, etc."
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aaronpk oof
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tantek "standardized" - I don't think that words means what the AMP people think it means
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tantek s/words/word
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aaronpk speaking of standardized, micropub.rocks is coming along
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tantek nice
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tantek that's the better approach, build positive things
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aaronpk now i have all the tests checking the appropriate boxes on the implementation report as you run them
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tantek collects AMP rants into a text file for later blogging.
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KartikPrabhu is it even useful to "rant" about AMP?
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KartikPrabhu I mean if people want to make bloated websites and then "AMP" them to get performance then I don't know what will convince them
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bear AMP has always smelled like cargo-culting from the top down (I really hope that makes sense)
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bear ego-culting?
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KartikPrabhu some one should make a website -> text converter and brand it as a new really fast format for the web
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aaronpk lynx?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: it is useful only in that if you are able to predict when a large company is wrong about something, and/or call out their bad behavior, when that thing gets killed or dies or is otherwise shutdown, you can cite yourself as being right about it in advance
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KartikPrabhu call it STAMP = Simple Text Accelerated Mobile Pages
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tantek which tends to get journalists's attention - because clearly your "thoughts" were ahead of ("leading") what actually happened
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KartikPrabhu goes back to writing LaTeX...
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tantek probably a more productive endeavour
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gRegorLove Interesting note, that "sockpuppet" made a few commits directly to the repo, so probably isn't so anonymous to the AMP project.
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aaronpk i looked at the commits and they have a google.com email address. of course that can be faked if you're really trying.
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tantek or there was collusion on Google's part with the sockpuppeting
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aaronpk STAHP - Simple Text Accelerated HTML Pages
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gRegorLove aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 1116 karma (12 in this channel)
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tantek lol
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tantek goes to post something on his site, and document what's annoying him the most about that process today. #/document-your-itches #/scratch-your-itches #/hashtags-in-irc-that-dont-link-to-irc-channels
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