#dev 2016-10-19

2016-10-19 UTC
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bear ohhh
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bear micropub.rocks uses a POST with an action=delete and not a DELETE
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aaronpk yes :) https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-10-18-17-18-26.png
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KartikPrabhu does anything use HTTP methods other than GET and POST?
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aaronpk lol
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bear my command line tools does :)
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bear but i'm adjusting
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KartikPrabhu i mean ones than respond
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bear just got done implementing all of the multiparts
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KartikPrabhu i.e.e servers
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bear yea, I see your point - any api I build always honours them - but I'm way in the minority for that
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KartikPrabhu also micropub does not use PUT ;)
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bear yea, i've made that mental note now
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bear ok, now I think I found a bug in micropub.rocks
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bear server test 500 (the delete) isn't showing a checkmark even tho my return was 202
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bear issue filed
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nebulon Hi there, after hearing about indieweb every so often, I finally looked into the thinking behind that. We have built an opensource platform to self-host apps https://cloudron.io/ I think our philosophy is very similar
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nebulon are there any strong opinions in this community about running apps on-premise, virtual servers or nowadays self-hosting into container environments?
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kodfabrik.se edited /2016/Berlin (+32) "/* IndieWebCamp Hoodies */" (view diff)
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jkphl.is edited /2016/Berlin (+29) "/* IndieWebCamp Hoodies */" (view diff)
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aaronpk bear: oh boy I see what happened. I copied that "returned ..." line from creating a post, for which the response is 201 or 202. then when I copied it for the rest of the tests, I just added 204
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bear :)
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bear np - I just made my code return 200
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aaronpk the text is wrong for a bunch of other tests too :)
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bear glad I found it then
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sebastianlasse.de edited /2016/Berlin (+45) "/* Participating */ Added participant without domain yet by request" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Guest_List (+0) "need more sign-ups for LA so..." (view diff)
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jonnybarnes.uk edited /2016/Berlin (+56) "/* IndieWebCamp Hoodies */" (view diff)
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angelo.lahacker.net edited /events/2016-10-19-homebrew-website-club (+13) "/* Los Angeles */" (view diff)
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GWG Speaking of Webmentions, if you try to send a mention and get a response status not 200-202 what makes sense to do?
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sknebel GWG: mostly didn't to mix with the live-log
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GWG Good point
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GWG I always think of dev as really technical conversions
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sknebel some senders probably retry later (e.g. bridgy does for at least some error codes)
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tantek GWG, plumbing and error codes and such are better here
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sknebel especially 429 and 503 indicate temporary errors
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tantek like that :)
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GWG Basically, the question is what should be the response, if any, to failure?
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GWG Or does it need to drill down more?
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sknebel not sure when it starts to become academic as well ;)
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sknebel retrying once or twice later seems reasonable
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GWG The way the code I am looking at is set up, anything less than 400 is registered as a success. Anything between 400 and 501 is set to retry.
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GWG Seems broad
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sknebel i'm not sure if you should retry exactly 400, since in the spec that indicates that your request was malformed
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sknebel and your retry likely is going to look exactly the same
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sknebel and thus will fail again
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sknebel getting a 301 redirect wouldn't be a sucess case either
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GWG I tagged it as needing review
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GWG I am looking at things while preparing an implementation report
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sknebel I think only 2xx (strictly 200-202) should count as sucess
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GWG And what do you do with the other numbers?
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sknebel retrying all wouldn't hurt that badly, if not (or if that fails as well) just log and move on
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sknebel having a UI to review failures might be useful, some users might want to know if a mention fails so they can contact the owner and figure out what happened
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sknebel maybe ask the bridgy guys for numbers: how often do temporary failures happen, what kind of errors do they see that might need special treatment?
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aaronpk telegraph doesn't retry, but it does show a red X and you can see the response
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sknebel maybe following HTTP-> HTTPS redirects is worth it, that could be an easy to make mistake
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sknebel on the other hand, if it is logged you can notice and tell the site owner
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sknebel before other senders quietly fail on it
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sknebel aaronpk: I assume your site uses telegraph in the backend, but doesn't actually show you the result if you post via micropub?
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aaronpk right i only see it when i log in to telegraph
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aaronpk e.g. https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-10-19-11-25-22.png
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jkphl.is edited /2016/Berlin (+40) "/* IndieWebCamp Hoodies */" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /limited_audience (+20) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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gRegorLove This page refers to domain.robots.txt. Is that a generic reference to regular robots.txt, or something special? https://developers.google.com/ad-exchange/rtb/disapproved-ads##Destination+URL+not+crawlable
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aaronpk i've never heard of domain.robots.txt
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gRegorLove Same. Figured I'd double check.
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gRegorLove I hadn't heard of the Real-Time Bidding Protocol, either. heh
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gRegorLove An ad company is saying the page isn't crawlable, but we're not blocking. ::shrug::
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gregorlove.com edited /private_posts (+403) "/* Facebook */ Limited audience, links to files TBU" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:facebook-limited-audience-hover-2016-10-19.png]]""
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tantek can't imagine the shenanigans from folks registering TLDs that are common file *document* extensions like .txt
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calumryan.com edited /events/2016-10-19-homebrew-website-club (+115) "/* Photos */" (view diff)
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bear \o/ all of the micropub.rocks create, delete, undelete and some of the update test pass for kaku
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bear does the happy dance
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aaronpk bear++
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aaronpk very nice
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bear now onto some of the media and query stuff
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aaronpk the media endpoint stuff has been super useful
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bear https://micropub.rocks/implementation-report/server/21/wGGo3z6OuNl8pO67iN7k
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tantek bear++
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tantek kaku++
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tantek aww
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bear the code is mightily ugly right now - but making it pretty comes after making it work
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tantek oh I hear that. pretty much my modus operandi for Falcon
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bear :)
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bear is there an example of what the json result looks like for a q=config micropub GET?
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bear well look at that - the spec has it https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#querying
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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bear (that wasn't there a while ago)
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aaronpk examples++
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aaronpk i'm always frustrated when specs don't have examples and try to just describe things in words
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tantek that's good feedback for any CR
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tantek wow
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jonnybarnes.uk edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+507) "/* Query for places */" (view diff)
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jonnybarnes I take it micropub implementation details should be discussed in here?
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aaronpk ?
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jonnybarnes I see a blank reply aaronpk ?
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-10-19-15-22-53.png
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jonnybarnes ahh, need to add that to my todo list, get empji working on my server
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jonnybarnes I’m ssh-d into it and running weechat inside tmux
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jonnybarnes so if my server doesn’t support emoji...
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jonnybarnes anyway yeah
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aaronpk lol
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jonnybarnes I have places working okay in my micropub implementtion
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aaronpk i'm running weechat too! but using the web interface
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aaronpk wow that's awesome
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jonnybarnes my client either sends location: <place-url> or location: geo:lat,lng
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jonnybarnes for the latter I just do a nominatim reverse lookup and add some text to the note saying in Salford, UK or whatever
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aaronpk that seems sensible
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jonnybarnes for actual places I add a map to the note
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aaronpk place-url where the url is a URL on your site?
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jonnybarnes yeah, one of https://jonnybarnes.uk/places
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jonnybarnes although theres no reason why it can’t be from someone elses site
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jonnybarnes the url just needs to return a h-card for a place/venue
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jonnybarnes then the endpoint can add that info to the note it created
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jonnybarnes my thinking is similar to how with photos you can either upload the file directly with the request
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jonnybarnes or give a url to the photo
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jonnybarnes the client can also create new places, by making a POST request to the endpoint
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jonnybarnes that new place can then be used in the subsequent new note request
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aaronpk that sounds great
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GWG I have been working on something similar for a while
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GWG Places
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bear hmm, my media endpoint upload test for the GIF failed, not because it isn't supported but because the GIF must be huge "HTTP/1.1 413 Request Entity Too Large"
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jonnybarnes gifs can get quite big
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bear just not sure how large to make it
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aaronpk Haha yeah I intentionally used a large file
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Loqi hehe
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aaronpk its animated
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