#dev 2016-10-22

2016-10-22 UTC
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rascul looking at p-sex in h-card http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card , it references rfc 6359 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6350#section-6.2.7 , should i expect only the values listed in the rfc?
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Loqi h-card
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rascul trying to determine if this should be a string or an enum
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rascul i would actually prefer an enum because, once implemented, it's more trivial to use than a string, but it's not clear to me if those are the only accepted values or if it's just an example/recommendation
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rascul i'll just implement it as an enum until i know better and provide a custom option for anything not listed
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rascul maybe i'm the only one not out partying tonight :(
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dansup nope
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rascul oh!
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dansup ditch friends && (drink + code)
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rascul if drink() & code() { do_stuff(); } else { pretend_cool(); }
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dansup oh look, its bear http://i.cdn.turner.com/toon/video/repository/8a250ab04de35614014de83516e10477/thumbnail_6955817258284656030.png
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bear :)
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rascul no beard
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dansup that show (we bare bears) is awesome
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bear that's my younger self
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rascul ahh, ok
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rascul i've been learning a bunch of rust stuff lately, now i feel comfortable enough working on my site stuff again
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rascul by working on it, i mean scrapping all the crap code i had because now i know rust better heh
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dansup nice, are there any web frameworks for rust ?
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rascul yes
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rascul http://www.arewewebyet.org/
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rascul using iron for this one https://p.rascul.xyz/ https://git.rascul.xyz/rascul/pastebucket
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rascul that's what i made to learn how to make a web app in rust
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rascul rascul.xyz is real slow though because it's way out of ram and i'm lazy and don't feel like migrating it to a bigger vps so i just added a bunch of swap
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rascul if it gets 100 requests in a minute it'll probably die heh
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rascul i'll fix it sometime eventually, make it more powerful and maybe even move some things elsewhere to lighten the load
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rascul bear did you see the dirty cow thing?
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dansup cool
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rascul http://dirtycow.ninja
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dansup i have only really used php
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rascul it's already patched in debian and probably the other major distros
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rascul dansup i'm not much a fan of php, but if you're happy with it then i'm happy for you
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dansup they called it dirtycow ? lol
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rascul cow as in copy on write
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rascul https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=19be0eaffa3ac7d8eb6784ad9bdbc7d67ed8e619
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dansup rascul, php is often abused and I think that is why it had a bad reputation. like this timing attack in gnu/social: https://git.gnu.io/gnu/gnu-social/blob/master/plugins/AuthCrypt/AuthCryptPlugin.php#L55
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dansup i patched all my servers
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rascul php is real easy and attractive for beginners, and because of that there ends up being a lot of bad code in the wild
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dansup true, but if you know how to use the language properly you can do amazing stuff. php7 is faster than ruby and python
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rascul also php itself has plenty of issues (every language has issues, though) but those are of course being addressed as time goes on
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rascul faster is hard to say in general, there are too many variables
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dansup thanks to facebook, and the community, php has seen a lot of modern improvements that have made the language better
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rascul and python at least can be incredibly fast depending on how it's used, i don't know much about ruby though
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rascul it's definitely possible to write good php
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dansup rascul, http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/u64q/php.html
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dansup fast as in benchmarks fast
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rascul those are specific things though, and php doesn't even win all of them
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dansup true
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rascul none of those look like web stuff at first glance either, which is where php is used most, and python is used quite often
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dansup yeah
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rascul in general, php does indeed win those, though
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rascul rust has better numbers than your php ;) http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/u64q/rust.html
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dansup yeah, everyone has their own preference. its not about the language, but what you can do with it
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rascul rust can get quite verbose, it has a strong type system that can be hard to work with, and ownership can be a struggle for people to grasp at first
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rascul shooting yourself in the foot is a lot harder though
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dansup rascul, php now has strict types https://wiki.php.net/rfc/scalar_type_hints_v5
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rascul i guess that's potentially interesting
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bear rascul - yes, i've been dealing with it all day (updating kernels and restarting services)
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aaronpk heh i'm not coding tonight, but not out partying either. i'm downloading fancy audio libraries that are used for film scores and trying to write some music again.
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rascul oh aaronpk maybe you can answer my earlier question
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rascul [20:39] <rascul> looking at p-sex in h-card http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card , it references rfc 6359 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6350#section-6.2.7 , should i expect only the values listed in the rfc?
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Loqi h-card
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rascul [20:40] <rascul> trying to determine if this should be a string or an enum
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aaronpk hm i thought there were some other experiments with that
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aaronpk around preferred pronoun
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rascul i dunno
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rascul i've implemented it as an enum with an additional custom type for now
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aaronpk speaking of music, it would seem that I need to bump up being able to publish audio clips on my site like I do video
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rascul if it's supposed to be a free form text thing, i can change it, but if there's set values for it than an enum is much easier for me
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aaronpk well that spec seems to say it's a list of single characters
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rascul indeed
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aaronpk but i've seen more examples of preferred pronouns where it's just freeform
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aaronpk bye for now
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rascul i'll just keep it like i have it, then
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rascul good bye
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KevinMarks Gender is free form and preferred, sex is only really for medical records as I recall
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rascul according to the vcard rfc, sex has specific values for biological sex, gender (freeform) is for gender identity
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KevinMarks_ Right, that was my point. Gender is the thing that you publish, sex is a medical thing.
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tantek catches up on last night's vcard rfc discussion
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tantek rascul: gender has multiple components in vcard4, sex (bio) and gender-identity (free form) and this is all by very deliberate design and discussion. a bunch of the background that went into this is documented at microformats.org/wiki/gender
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tantek "gender" is not a property itself, it is a composite of 'sex' and 'gender-identity'
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tantek cc: KevinMarks aaronpk
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KevinMarks As currently documented, h-card splits them
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KevinMarks p-sex - biological sex, new in vCard4 (RFC 6350)
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KevinMarks We should annotate that
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Loqi yea
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sknebel KevinMarks: what were ping servers?
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GWG Ah, the Technorati days when you pinged sites to tell them you had an update.
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KevinMarks A ping server would be told about updates and list the feed and update time
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KevinMarks They filled up with spam a lot
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KevinMarks http://pingomatic.com
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KevinMarks You had to lobby the blogging silos to ping your server
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sknebel so servers ran by or for the receivers, pinged by the publisher? Vs PuSH servers that are run fo/byr the publisher, and receiver register against them?
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GWG I remember configuring WordPress to ping them.
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KevinMarks http://www.weblogs.com
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KevinMarks Still exists
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KevinMarks Still mostly spam
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