#dev 2016-12-29

2016-12-29 UTC
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tantek.com edited /next-iwc (-1) "Planning!" (view diff)
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staceydepolo.com edited /GoDaddy (+1544) (view diff)
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petermolnar https://etherpad.indieweb.org/micropub -> "ReferenceError: require is not defined in https://etherpad.indieweb.org/micropub (line 541)"
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petermolnar !tell aaronpk https://etherpad.indieweb.org/micropub gives "ReferenceError: require is not defined"
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cweiske.de edited /WhatsApp (+167) "/* Criticism */" (view diff)
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cweiske pagination << http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/pager.htm
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Loqi ok, I added "http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/pager.htm" to the "See Also" section of /pagination
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loqi.me edited /pagination (+39) "cweiske added "http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/pager.htm" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi [Christian Weiske] A good pager
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@call_user_func [New]pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks Semantic Linkbacks for WebMentions, Trackbacks and Pingbacks https://packagist.org/packages/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks (twitter.com/_/status/814473577214812160)
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GWG pfefferle, see you have been busy
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pfefferle :)
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GWG pfefferle, I think we continue to get closer to a new release.
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pfefferle GWG sure!
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GWG I find that exciting.
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GWG In 2017 I want to look at exotic and deleted posts at some point
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aaronpk petermolnar: what browser? it looks fine for me in osx chrome
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Loqi aaronpk: petermolnar left you a message 3 hours, 39 minutes ago: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/micropub gives "ReferenceError: require is not defined"
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vanderven.se martijn edited /2017-01-01-commitments (+98) (view diff)
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petermolnar ff, though I haven't checked if ublock is blocking anything, which might be the case
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petermolnar yep, that was the case, sorry for the false alarm
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aaronpk ah k
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ben_thatmustbeme aaaand i have started rewriting my entire site in laravel
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ben_thatmustbeme because if you want to really learn a thing, might as well do multiple projects in it
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aaronpk oh? wow
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aaronpk i use laravel too!
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aaronpk tho i bet i'm using an old version now
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ben_thatmustbeme its on 5.3 now, not actually sure how to tell what version you are on
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aaronpk i'm on 5.2.something based on composer.json
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aaronpk i should probably update soon so i don't get two versions behind
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Loqi I agree
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ben_thatmustbeme they moved some file locations around
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aaronpk would that matter if i'm using composer?
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ben_thatmustbeme the learning vid i was using was 5.2, and i'm working in 5.3 so i actually have been watching the changes between them as well
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ben_thatmustbeme i would think so, it doesn't know how to migrate it as far as i know
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ben_thatmustbeme the routes file moved to a completely new location
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aaronpk oh, like where it expects *my* files to be?
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah
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aaronpk ugh this is why i hate frameworks
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aaronpk just make a decision and stick to it plz. why change everything every point release.
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ben_thatmustbeme agreed
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aaronpk oh there's a 5.4 now
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aaronpk https://laravel.com/docs/5.3/upgrade
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ben_thatmustbeme oh jeeze
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, yeah, thats just the master branch
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ben_thatmustbeme its not released yet
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aaronpk ah
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aaronpk well at least they do a good job of documenting the changes
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aaronpk oof yeah i should set aside some time for this. looks like it's going to be hard to have to jump two versions, so gotta get this one out of the way now
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aaronpk this looks useful https://laravel.com/docs/5.3/notifications
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aaronpk wow https://github.com/laravel-notification-channels
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aaronpk cool, definitely gonna use that to get iOS notifications about webmentions!
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ben_thatmustbeme thats pretty neat
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ben_thatmustbeme my only dislikes of laravel thus far has been that their ORM conventions don't match up with what i have always used as convention
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ben_thatmustbeme posts.post_id or posts.id
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ben_thatmustbeme but the relation setup thankfully lets you customize that
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aaronpk ah i'm not using their ORM, just the DB wrapper
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aaronpk https://laravel.com/docs/5.2/queries
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i am going to be using that in a bunch of spots too i'm sure
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aaronparecki.com created /responses-naming (+4821) "move old discussion to its own page" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /responses-naming (+1690) "move the rest of the history section too" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /responses () "(-6339) moved discussion to its own page [[responses-naming]]" (view diff)
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aaronpk ahh much better
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aaronpk now that page doesn't look like a trashfire
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cweiske the laravel db wrapper doesn't abstract away.
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cweiske I tried to use db migration code that worked fine on mysql on sqlite and had to change every single of the ~50 migrations
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cweiske to make them work on sqlite
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cweiske and the whole laravel thing is a big bunch of mud
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cweiske http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/dependency-injection.htm and http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/frameworks.htm
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Loqi [Christian Weiske] Dependency injection: Because var_dump should be useless
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cweiske and don't try to find out what a model class actually does and which methods is has
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dansup lol
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cweiske the __call() and __callStatic() shit they are doing is .... I have no words for it
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dansup cweiske, yeah the migrations aren't magic. You can't call json() on a mysql db but you can on postgres
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cweiske the model doesn't have this method? call the method on the query builder!
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cweiske the query builder doesn't have this method? call the method on the database layer!
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dansup cweiske, the query builder was written before the active model ORM
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cweiske oh, you have *two* database connections and the wrong db layer is used? haha, bad luck!
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Loqi rofl
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cweiske good luck debugging a couple of hours!
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dansup you must be really special
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cweiske I am very special
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dansup if you can't read docs
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dansup laravel has wonderful documentation
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cweiske yes, I wondered often
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cweiske dansup, I'm talking about bugs here. bugs in laravel
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aaronpk Yea I'll stay away from their model classes
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cweiske some software is easy to debug
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cweiske and then there is laravel
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dansup "Laravel makes interacting with databases extremely simple across a variety of database backends using either raw SQL, the fluent query builder, and the Eloquent ORM. "
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cweiske .. until you actually try it
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dansup I have used laravel a lot
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cweiske surely with different backends at the same time
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cweiske and multiple database connections
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cweiske at the same time
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dansup different backends? Why would you have multiple databases? Why not one db and one cache
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Zegnat I have yet to see a framework that handles multiple db connections smoothly without the user having to beat the framework with a bat. They are all build on the assumption of 1 storage method and then be done.
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cweiske please go back playing in the children's room
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dansup cweiske, you should be using mongodb if you want webscale
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Zegnat dansup, work example? For data segregation clients demand separate databases for their confidential data. But if you don’t want core application data to be duplicated amongst all those databases you will have at least 2 connections at all times: 1 to your application db, 1 to your client db.
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aaronpk cweiske: be nice
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Zegnat At least that is why we ar stuck on having multiple databases at work.
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aaronpk Makes sense
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dansup Zegnat, oh I see, yeah I have never had to separate data like that
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Zegnat They are definitely edge-cases, but also not unheard of. They are just not the type of applications people have in mind when building a PHP framework.
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petermolnar I nearly jumped on Laravel, then I had to learn Perl and Python for work. I think destiny made good calls here :)
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petermolnar joke apart, multiple db connections in PHP is already a problem
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petermolnar eg. php-fpm with sqlite...
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petermolnar and that's one db - multiple connections
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petermolnar I tried to move WordPress on to sqlite, to at least get away from MySQL; it always died on file locks
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petermolnar and I didn't even try to use multiple dbs
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petermolnar which is usually a must, once you enter sharding land
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petermolnar by the way, isn't JSON supported in MySQL 8?
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petermolnar yep, it is: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/json.html
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aaronpk 8? wow i have a ways to go before i upgrade to that
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petermolnar actually, it's in 5.7 http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/json.html
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petermolnar 8 is the dev branch
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aaronpk ah, i'm running 5.7 on my laptop but not on my server yet
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petermolnar 5.7.?
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aaronpk 5.7.14
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petermolnar 5.7.8+ for JSON
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dansup petermolnar, i meant mariadb, I dont use mysql :)
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petermolnar yeah, right. Poke me when it doesn't crash every other day.
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aaronpk oh yeah i use mariadb
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cweiske we're using multiple databases to keep canonical data in a relational database (mariadb) that's managed via the backend API only, and have a crate.io store for the frontend - which contains enriched data sets optimized for frontend use cases, so that web pages only have to do a few queries instead of multiple complicated ones
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cweiske everytime canonical data change, enriched data sets are written into crate
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cweiske another case we have is integration testing. spinning up a dozen services on our CI setup is not what I want, so I prefer not to start a full MariaDB/MySQL daemon on each test run. simply exchanging the database adapter with an SQLite one is much easier
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cweiske I really miss the webscale videos
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cweiske they're long gone
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GWG I am thinking of solving my problems by copying aaronpk
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GWG They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
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vanderven.se martijn uploaded /File:just-posted-for-the-first-time-in-a-while.png "[[Facebook]] notification of a friend’s activity."
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Facebook (+106) "/* Activities Examples */ Alice just posted for the first time in a while." (view diff)
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