#dev 2017-01-10

2017-01-10 UTC
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tantek what is Altaba?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Altaba" yet. Would you like to create it?
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@joelpurra .@kevinmarks You+@aaronpk convinced me! It works; re-auth @StackExchange #openid tmo. Thanks! #indieauth @Indie_Auth https://joelpurra.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/818612639991468035)
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@joelpurra Switched to #indieauth - seems to be the most modern #openid delegation option out there! https://indieauth.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/818613291140415488)
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tantek aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 24 karma in this channel (1174 overall)
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aaronpk \o/
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tantek kevinmarks++ also for https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/818559777810718720
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Loqi kevinmarks has 2 karma in this channel (261 overall)
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@kevinmarks @joelpurra you can delegate to your own sit using <link rel="openid.server" href="https://openid.indieauth.com/openid" /> (twitter.com/_/status/818559777810718720)
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aaronpk that's kind of amazing that it fits in a tweet
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tantek and it even linked the second "URL"
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tantek maybe that's why it fit
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tantek tcod to 23 chars
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aaronpk heh
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KevinMarks Al Taba?
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /bookmark (+303) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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cweiske.de edited /private_posts (+58) "/* Feedback */" (view diff)
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rhiaro !tell aaronpk - do you have a way of automatically picking the best zoom level for a map to fit a path on?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar ah, finally. so: if you want whoosh to _properly_ search, use http://whoosh.readthedocs.io/en/latest/api/analysis.html#whoosh.analysis.FancyAnalyzer
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petermolnar for analyse text
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@Uxlco0 @ElieSl @edasfr webmentions ? (twitter.com/_/status/818827949910687745)
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@Inkwater_Masha 50 Design Terms Explained https://creativemarket.com/blog/clients-design-manual?platform=hootsuite #indieauth #selfpub (twitter.com/_/status/818829867374575617)
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voxpelli rhiaro: makes me think of: https://www.mapbox.com/blog/polygon-center/ :)
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aaronpk good morning!
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Loqi aaronpk: rhiaro left you a message 1 hour, 34 minutes ago: - do you have a way of automatically picking the best zoom level for a map to fit a path on?
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Loqi good morning
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marcthiele.com edited /Events (+4) "/* May */" (view diff)
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@Uxlco0 @edasfr @ElieSl y'a pas un côté "responsabilisation" et "hygiénique" avec webmentions vu qu'on héberge ses propres commentaires ? (twitter.com/_/status/818838065250635776)
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aaronpk rhiaro: yeah https://github.com/aaronpk/Atlas/blob/master/p3k/geo/StaticMap.php#L158
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aaronpk it's basically brute force guess and check
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rhiaro aha, swell
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aaronpk start at max zoom level. subtract 1. check if everything on the map is within the window. if so, do it again.
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aaronpk go until you eventually start clipping stuff off of the map
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aaronpk also i'm checking based on the pixel locations, after having converted latlng to x,y pixels
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aaronpk and you only need a bounding box, not the whole data, so the math is really simple
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aaronpk now that i think about it, it might make more sense to do that the other way around. start with the smallest zoom, see if it fits. if not, increase 1 and check again
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marcthiele.com created /2017/Düsseldorf (+6092) "Created page with "= <span class="p-name summary">IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf 2017</span> = The third IndieWebCamp in Düsseldorf, but just one of many [[IndieWebCamps]]! <div class="p-description d..."" (view diff)
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aaronpk marcthiele++
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rhiaro maps lookin' good. Soon live
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rhiaro it's taking LA to Japan the long way around the world though :)
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aaronpk why's that?
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rhiaro I dunno. Does the order of the coords in the path list make a difference?
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rhiaro just looks funny
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marcthiele.com created /2017/Düsseldorf/Guest_List (+5264) "Created page with "== [[2017/Düsseldorf|IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf 2017]] == * '''When:''' <span class="dt-start dtstart"><time class="value">2017-05-13</time> <time class="value">10:00</time></spa..."" (view diff)
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aaronpk oh i see what you mean. no it just always has the -180 line on the left
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aaronpk i should fix that :)
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Loqi +1
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petermolnar rhiaro, just out of curiousity, which hashing algo are you using to produce the "57fdb920c75c1" like urls?
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rhiaro php uniquid()
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rhiaro whatever that is
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rhiaro time based I think
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petermolnar ah
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petermolnar I thought you're hashing something pre-existing
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rhiaro nah
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rhiaro okay, new maps are live
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aaronpk ooh nice
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aaronpk i didn't realize you were going to just hotlink atlas maps :)
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rhiaro For the time being..
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tantek hotlinkingforthetimebeing++
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petermolnar "temporary workarounds" https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClLdiueVAAAMiQz.jpg
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seblog.nl edited /2017/Düsseldorf/Guest_List (+245) "/* Participants */ added myself" (view diff)
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seblog.nl edited /2017/Düsseldorf/Guest_List (+0) "/* Participants */ ah, there are numbers too :o" (view diff)
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KevinMarks That la to Tokyo almost is the pearl harbor joke
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tantek wat
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tantek KevinMarks: do we have an h-feed validator?
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tantek like something that can be run as part of a commit hook or Travis or whatever for GitHub commits?
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aaronpk an h-feed and h-entry validator would be super useful
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tantek indiewebify.me does something right?
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aaronpk ah yeah it has an h-entry validator
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aaronpk https://indiewebify.me/validate-h-entry/
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tantek what is an h-entry validator?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "h-entry validator" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek h-entry validator is one of the features of indiewebify.me (https://indiewebify.me/validate-h-entry/) and can be used to check the validity of your [[h-entry]] permalink page, including whether it has various required or recommended properties, and [[authorship]].
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loqi.me created /h-entry_validator (+296) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is h-entry?
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Loqi h-entry is the microformats2 vocabulary for marking up blog posts on web sites https://indieweb.org/h-entry
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tantek hopefully that makes that a bit more discoverable
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KevinMarks Hm. A h-feed validator would make sense too
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KevinMarks Basically, he lost the h-entry on posts, so everything went into the feed
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aaronpk oops
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tantek ironically sounds like a similar level of problem that WordPress has/had
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tantek with h-entry markup being not at the same level as the stuff inside
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tantek core vs. themes etc.
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@ldodds Anyone experimented with using webmention to capture pings from, e.g. data journalism, back to open datasets? https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/818875450164477952)
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@aaronpk @ldodds Not sure if this is quite what you mean, but worth a read: http://lombardpress.org/2016/04/16/iiif-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/818875852230258688)
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KevinMarks Not sure the indiewebify.me validator would work as an integration test
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tantek KevinMarks, could you file an issue on indiewebify.me's github repo as to the problems you see with that, with suggested improvements if any?
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KevinMarks I think the indiewebify.me approach is good for humans. I'd like advice from bear on good practice for a ci test validator
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aaronpk it would be neat to have a validator that is intended to be used with integration tests. i don't know what that would look like tho
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tantek presumably the same "backend" could be used for both
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aaronpk probably
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KevinMarks For ci you usually have known data to check against, whereas a validator is checking structure
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aaronpk i could see doing something like "here's a URL. check whether you can find the "name" of this post and that it matches X"
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aaronpk and the validator returns true/false basically
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bear I had the beginnings of a thought about that last month
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bear using a test domain that was mostly staticly generated but with the python flask elements to build test domains for people
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KevinMarks I see a validator as a diagnostic tool. Protecting mastodon against the mf2 being accidentally refactored away is trickier.
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aaronpk is there a test suite for mastodon itself?
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aaronpk could add tests there with the mf2 PR
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bear agree with the need for both a validator and a test suite
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bear they are two sides to the stable-spec coin
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bear that's why having a static site works well for the CI side -- it's something that can be generated using various tools / libs and then given to a CI suite to test against
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bear use text source files -> generate -> store -> standup with flask (or whatevs) -> run client side tests against temp site
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bear both sides of the above can be stored as artifacts for others to use against their tools or generators
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KevinMarks That reminds me that I should take another look at the mf2 test suite
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miklb weirdest thing. Two domains on my new server, using same nginx conf file save the domain, and same certbot command also swapping domain and getting error on one of them (the one I really want to issue the cert for)
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aaronpk what error? unable to validate?
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aaronpk are you sure there isn't some other nginx config block that's stealing that domain?
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aaronpk the order matters
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miklb hmm. Let me check if another nginx config
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miklb hmm. seems my symlink was bad :eek:
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miklb heh, thanks aaronpk
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aaronpk :)
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miklb usually is the obvious, but after seeing same error over and over, start looking for the difficult
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aaronpk i think today is add-twitter-to-xray day
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tantek didn't barnabywalters have a bunch of utilities like that?
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tantek extensions to php-mf2 that would return a twitter page as if it had microformats and was parsed accordingly?
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aaronpk https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2-shim
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tantek when you're adding this one-off support, are you adding it as fallback after no mf2 is found?
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tantek such that if those sites started supporting mf2 explicitly, then that would be returned instead?
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aaronpk no, i check whether the URL is a known silo
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aaronpk if twitter suddenly added mf2 support i think we'd know ahead of time
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tantek you could make that check after you find no h-* root objects
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aaronpk also the twitter one is going to require API keys so it's not even up to XRay to decide that
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tantek really? I thought barnabywalters's one didn't require API keys
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aaronpk his scrapes the page, but i want to use the api
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aaronpk i'll get more info by using the api
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tantek also for Twitter why not just do a URL substitution from the tweet permalink to the tweet intent permalink?
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tantek (which AFAIK has mf2 from benward)
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tantek and if you didn't know about that, I'm going to question your assertion "if twitter suddenly added mf2 support i think we'd know ahead of time" :)
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aaronpk i do remember that :) I'd have to check that it actually includes all the parts of the tweet which i suspect it does not
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/XRay/issues/18
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KevinMarks I think I did that with unmung
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KevinMarks if "twitter.com" in url and '/intent/' not in url:
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KevinMarks Which could be smarter
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tantek right
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aaronpk i don't see any mf2 in the intent URLs
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KevinMarks Hmm looks like they got removed
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KevinMarks No, still there http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fintent%2Fuser%3Fscreen_name%3Dkevinmarks&html=&pretty=on
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KevinMarks I need to check the URL rewriting code there
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aaronpk ah for the profile url
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aaronpk what about for tweet permalinks?
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tantek and if not, that's definitely a bug we can file with benward
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KevinMarks They were there in the embedded ones in iframes
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aaronpk hm did mb_substr change in php 5.6?
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aaronpk it seems to not work with emoji in 5.5
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aaronpk and google appengine doesn't run php 5.6 :headdesk:
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petermolnar I digged out awstats and I kinda surprised it alive and maintained
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aaronpk ah it's just that the default encoding was not utf-8 in php 5.5
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KevinMarks Is it the combining emoji?
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KevinMarks Zero width join is hard
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aaronpk even just one emoji failed
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aaronpk but it was just a charset issue. once i told it explicitly to use utf-8 then it worked
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aaronpk tho i should probably test it on some fancy emoji. i wonder if twitter's character counters work with that
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