#dev 2017-01-09

2017-01-09 UTC
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tantek.com edited /YouTube (+384) "How to export, more questions than answers" (view diff)
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tantek what is watch?
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Loqi A watch is a semi-passive type of post used to publish that you have watched a video — typically movie, TV show, or other video recordings https://indieweb.org/watch
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tantek.com edited /YouTube (+4) "/* How to export */ linky watch" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /viewing (+18) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek GWG, I tried to stub some thoughts and more specific questions here: https://indieweb.org/YouTube#How_to_export perhaps you could investigate those
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tantek.com edited /Netflix (+460) "How to export, specific types of posts" (view diff)
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tantek GWG, similarly: https://indieweb.org/Netflix#How_to_export
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tantek.com edited /events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club (+57) "add SF indie event, needs FB POSSE copy still" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club (+23) "SF where, add SF indie event, needs FB POSSE copy still" (view diff)
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tantek !tell Jeena is there a HWC Göteborg this week? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell chrisaldrich could you update the URL/description for HWC LA for this wek? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell Zegnat is there a specific location for HWC The Netherlands this week? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jkphl.is edited /Events () "(-627) /* January */" (view diff)
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jkphl.is edited /events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club (+394) "/* Where */" (view diff)
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jkphl.is edited /events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club (+62) "/* Regrets */" (view diff)
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jkphl.is edited /events/2017-01-25-homebrew-website-club (+62) "/* Regrets */" (view diff)
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jkphl.is edited /events/2017-01-25-homebrew-website-club (+395) "/* Where */" (view diff)
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adactio.com edited /events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club (-47) "/* Where */" (view diff)
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petermolnar "TypeError: utime: 'times' must be either a tuple of two ints or None" ok. /me types os.utime((t,t)). "TypeError: argument should be string, bytes or integer, not tuple" wtf is wrong with you?!
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adactio.com edited /events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club (-19) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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petermolnar.net edited /User:Petermolnar.net () "(-2362) moved from WordPress; changed my page according to it" (view diff)
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petermolnar I'm still stunned how hilariously fast the python3 + sanic + whoosh combination for search when compared to the default wordpress search
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petermolnar the accuracy is not that good though, apparently searching in urls is tricky with whoosh
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petermolnar I'd welcome any tips on how the analyser should be done for this case
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petermolnar http://cutycapt.sourceforge.net/ - another website screenshooting cli tool
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cweiske I'm actually using that in phancap
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petermolnar I'm still a bit surprised that all these solutions require an x-server
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petermolnar I'm not aware of any, real command line capturer
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cweiske neither
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cweiske petermolnar, I'm using a dummy X server in phancap
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cweiske xvfb
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petermolnar I know xvfb, but that's still is an xserver :)
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cweiske maybe you should look for "framebuffer browser"
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sknebel phantomJS is the one headless browser that works without X I think (well, outside text mode options)
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raretrack.uk edited /User:Raretrack.uk (+222) "Updated with recent completions" (view diff)
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grant.codes edited /photo-album (+151) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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pfefferle good morning
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jeena.net edited /events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club (-11) "/* Where */ GOT" (view diff)
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jeena.net edited /events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club (+89) "/* Göteborg */" (view diff)
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aaronpk https://www.instagram.com/p/BM4rGs-lApG/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Here again https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/14269001_1162908790471145_6084871298582839296_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTM4NTA0NjQ2MjAyNzc5NTAxNA%3D%3D.2
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aaronpk (just a test, plz ignore)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /WordPress/Plugins (+246) "Keyring Social Importer related plugins" (view diff)
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tantek switching to dev aaronpk since, JSON
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tantek why is "refs" a separate key - is that normally part of XRay?
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tantek why not have "location" be a nested h-card?
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aaronpk yeah, it's an XRay thing
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tantek oho k
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aaronpk it's to keep the value types consistent
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aaronpk i do it with category too
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aaronpk the values in the "category" and "location" arrays will always be strings. if they happen to be URLs, then you can check "refs" to see if XRay found anything out about that URL
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aaronpk it makes the consuming code easier cause there's less if(is_string) type stuff
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tantek for URLs at least
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tantek you can still have nested objects
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gRegorLove what is photo story?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "photo story" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk XRay normalizes most everything to be not nested
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aaronpk basically the goal with XRay is to have less varying kinds of values
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Zegnat tantek: we just decided on the location for HWC NL, updating wiki
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Loqi Zegnat: tantek left you a message 10 hours, 29 minutes ago: is there a specific location for HWC The Netherlands this week? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club#Where
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vanderven.se martijn edited /events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club (-49) "/* Where */ Add location The Netherlands" (view diff)
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@joelpurra @oplife Yeah, saw #indieauth earlier; afaik they shut down #openid support. Really need openid for existing sites =( (twitter.com/_/status/818530491175411715)
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@aaronpk @joelpurra @oplife https://indieauth.com/ should still be running an OpenID provider. I just used it to sign in to StackOverflow yesterday! (twitter.com/_/status/818531337531375617)
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tantek what "existing sites"?
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aaronpk stackoverflow is one
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tantek and? plural?
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/OpenID#Consuming_Sites
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tantek sure that's our list - I mean the quote from @joelpurra "existing sites" before he linked to our site
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tantek what is AMP?
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Loqi Accelerated Mobile Pages (AMP) is a Google-led project that speeds up a subset of HTML through caching and dependencies on google: https://indieweb.org/AMP
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tantek AMP << https://productforums.google.com/forum/?nomobile=true#!topic/webmasters/8ogdv04Cm-k
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loqi.me edited /AMP (+103) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://productforums.google.com/forum/?nomobile=true#!topic/webmasters/8ogdv04Cm-k" to the "See Also" section of /AMP
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@aaronpk @joelpurra I like the concept too! My goal with #indieauth is to use domains as identities (like OpenID) but using OAuth 2.0 techniques. (twitter.com/_/status/818539558568476672)
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tantek that AMP criticism is amazing
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KartikPrabhu sounds like Google messed up the AMP news UI
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tantek yeah it's pretty crappy on mobile web - very slow, sticky, and unresponsive
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tantek kinda the opposite of "accelerated"
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aaronpk the first load is always faster than the original site, but then it's a terrible experience from there on
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tantek all the carousel nonsense in google search / google news with the AMP "cards" are super slow / unresponsive
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aaronpk yeah
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tantek it's as if Google search/news front end devs don't actually know how to write (or perf test?) JS
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aaronpk they know how, tthey just all test on top of the line computers
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tantek except sales of top of the line computers is not their business model, so that seems counterproductive
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gRegorLove Doesn't seem to be an easy way to get the original URL on an AMP page, too.
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gRegorLove Address bar remains "google.com/amp..."
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tantek I believe that's in one of the other criticisms
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gRegorLove Below that I see "amp.slate.com" in this example search, but it's not clickable.
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tantek also how fake news looks more legit, by putting up AMP versions that are then served from google.com and then afforded more "authority" / "legitimacy" accordingly
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tantek it's a pretty big problem
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gRegorLove Yeah, a friend was complaining on Twitter about not being able to get the original URL. Probably for sharing.
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tantek it's as if Google only wants you to share the AMP URL hosted at their site, giving google.com traffic
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gRegorLove Hmm ;)
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kevinmarks.com edited /events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club (+16) "/* San Francisco */" (view diff)
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KevinMarks They are now? They were fast originally - did amp get crafted up with silo components?
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KevinMarks Of course I'm testing on chrome on an Google phone, so I may be part of the problem
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loqi.me created /Wide_color (+183) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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www.hayescreative.com created /User:Www.hayescreative.com (+40) "Created page with "'''Kevin Hayes''', Buffalo, New York USA"" (view diff)
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www.hayescreative.com edited /User:Www.hayescreative.com (+25) (view diff)
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www.hayescreative.com edited /User:Www.hayescreative.com (+7) (view diff)
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tantek what is no-www?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "no-www" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek oh no it's an expired domain!
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tantek to the archive!
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www.hayescreative.com edited /User:Www.hayescreative.com (+22) (view diff)
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tantek no-www is a movement to deprecate use of "www." at the start of URLs as being redundant, unnecessary, and a waste of resources. Site (until 2016): https://web.archive.org/web/20161102173442/http://no-www.org/
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loqi.me created /no-www (+240) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek no-www << https://twitter.com/www_deprecated
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loqi.me edited /no-www (+54) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/www_deprecated" to the "See Also" section of /no-www
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loqi.me edited /no-www (+26) "tantek added "http://www.yes-www.org/" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek in case anyone is curious about CSS discussions coming up: https://wiki.csswg.org/planning/seattle-2017#topics
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www.boffosocko.com edited /events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club (+1394) "Virtual HWC planning" (view diff)
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