#dev 2017-01-13

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@matiere Webmention is a W3C Recommendation | W3C News https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/6052 (twitter.com/_/status/819703158561611779)
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@matiere "Webmention is a notification that one URL links to another and is a simple way to notify any URL when you mention it on your site. " (twitter.com/_/status/819703393258082304)
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www.boffosocko.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:Virtual HWC 1-11-17.png]]""
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@lobsters Webmention is a W3C Recommendation https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/6052 https://lobste.rs/s/pjfw8b #distributed #web (twitter.com/_/status/819705575571214336)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club (+648) "Virtual HWC photo" (view diff)
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KevinMarks_ Hah
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aaronparecki.com edited /site-deaths (+164) "app.net" (view diff)
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@_masaka Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/REC-webmention-20170112/ W3C勧告に。ページの応答にrel=webmentionのLinkヘッダでエンドポイントを含める→言及元サーバがsource／targetを通知→被言及側で確認（DoS防止のため非同期）、被リンク集に追加など (twitter.com/_/status/819723980785393664)
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@hiro_y Webmentionなるほど (twitter.com/_/status/819730706096070656)
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miklb lol, I honestly think I've been fighting with letsencrpt all week because they use Google DNS and they had my old IP address cached.
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@dret "Webmention" became a @w3c REC https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/REC-webmention-20170112/ today; the #HTML5 overview http://html5-overview.net/ has been updated: now at 30 REC! (twitter.com/_/status/819736981093511170)
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tantek.com edited /.blog (+7) "linky, fix typo" (view diff)
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tommorris.org edited /App.net (+97) "due for closure on 2017-03-24" (view diff)
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tommorris.org edited /site-deaths (+86) "adding mention of app.net" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu what is quill?
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Loqi Quill is a simple app for posting text notes to your website using Micropub https://indieweb.org/Quill
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KartikPrabhu what is micropub?
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Loqi Micropub is an open API standard (W3C Candidate Recommendation) that is used to create posts on one's own domain using third-party clients, and supersedes both MetaWeblog and AtomPub https://indieweb.org/Micropub
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KartikPrabhu would be good to document which clients support "create/update/delete/undelete" here https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Clients
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KartikPrabhu do any micropub clients support update?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: you can check the implementation report!
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KartikPrabhu oh sorry it is in the "implementation status" section
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tantek https://micropub.rocks/reports
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KartikPrabhu ok cool
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aaronpk we need to add micropublish to that list
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KartikPrabhu that table needs formatting, completely unreadable once you scroll down
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KartikPrabhu ben_thatmustbeme: how does Inkblot do micropub "update" specifically POST JSON data?
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@KillianKemps Webmention is a W3C Recommendation https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/6052 #W3C #Web (twitter.com/_/status/819813888107560960)
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@Mitsue_Links フロントエンドBlog 更新：WebmentionがW3C勧告に https://www.mitsue.co.jp/knowledge/blog/frontend/201701/13_1201.html (twitter.com/_/status/819815562276540416)
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@nichtich Pingback is dead, long live Webmention! https://twitter.com/w3c/status/819624363645353985 (twitter.com/_/status/819816207020748800)
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barryfrost.com edited /Micropub/Clients (+117) "/* Implementation status */ Adding Micropublish to clients table" (view diff)
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cweiske.de edited /site-deaths (+186) "/* Upcoming */" (view diff)
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@sycom The Social Web Working Group has published a W3C Recommendation of Webmention. A Webmention is a notification that… http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/PingSyFeeds/~3/sQEg-Z15p7Q/6052 (twitter.com/_/status/819833293981896704)
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pfefferle tantek, GWG, aaronpk these are the only stats as far as I know and they are public https://wordpress.org/plugins/webmention/stats/
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@yuichigrut Daily Pickup : Webmention is a W3C Recommendation https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/6052?pk_campaign=feed&pk_kwd=webmention-is-a-w3c-recommendation - via: W3C News https://www.w3.org/blog/news (twitter.com/_/status/819850893378093056)
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GWG Good morning
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Loqi guten morgen
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GWG pfefferle, saw the beta.
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prtksxna Hey GWG
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GWG Hi there
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prtksxna GWG: Do you need me to make any changes in https://github.com/dshanske/simple-location/pull/19 ?
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prtksxna GWG: The build test stuff is going to take longer
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GWG Not that I saw. I never got the error, but if I missed a bracket, I will confirm and merge after work
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GWG How are the new changes working for you otherwise?
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prtksxna GWG: I am getting used to the new modal box interface. I was thinking more of a Leaflet map kind of an interface, but didn't get time yet :(
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GWG UI is hard
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GWG I went through a bunch of tries to get this, but I am still not totally happy.
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GWG And I still have to build venue support
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prtksxna GWG: I was thinking something much simpler, but if you need all those options, I could make a different plugin for my use
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GWG Which options?
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prtksxna GWG: altitude, accuracy?
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prtksxna GWG: Heading, speed, etc
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prtksxna Oops, didn't mean to say '?'.
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GWG Yes, those are for checking capabilities of your GPS source
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prtksxna GWG: I might just be getting confused with the UI :/ I was just hoping for a map where I choose a location, and that's it.
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GWG You can't actually edit them and they aren't saved.
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prtksxna GWG: Where can I read more about the venue support that you want add.
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GWG If you want to design a map based interface.... I am not opposed. I can make it a config option
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GWG Venue is a URL for the location
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GWG In this sense
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GWG What is venue?
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Loqi A venue is a named location or address/geo that is typically used for checkins https://indieweb.org/venue
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prtksxna GWG: I feel a bit that I should start from scratch. But I don't want to re-invent the wheel either :(
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GWG You can implement an alternative interface that is changed to based on an option.
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GWG On my list is set location by address rather than coordinates
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GWG Can you add ideas as issues to the Github repo? That is where I keep them
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prtksxna GWG: I'll solidify my ideas in a PR first I guess. Helps me think.
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pfefferle GWG yes, for some composer experiment...
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pfefferle GWG I think I will release a version this weekend... release fast, release often!
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GWG pfefferle, I will give it a once over to see if I have any last minute ideas.
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GWG pfefferle, I do want to do some more with Semantic Linkbacks
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GWG prtksxna: I just try to document ideas as I have them so people know what I might consider in future.
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GWG pfefferle, have you ever looked into multilingual posts in WordPress
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pfefferle GWG no, because there is no core functionality yet
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GWG You saw the issue someone had with this and Webmentions a short while ago?
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pfefferle GWG no, on the WP.org forum?
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GWG pfefferle, main chat.
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GWG And I opened an issue on Webmentions as a discussion point for it
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pfefferle ah, on #indieweb?
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GWG Yes.
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pfefferle ok, I hope there is a generic solution, because I want to avoid a "hack" for every multilanguage plugin...
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GWG Basically, they created two posts... one in each language
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pfefferle perhaps I should read his "bug" report first
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GWG pfefferle, I have no solution yet to propose. Might not.
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GWG I just hate to say that no one will try to find a solution if there is one
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@MarkupUA Webmention is a W3C Recommendation https://all-markup-news.com/webmention-w3c-recommendation/ (twitter.com/_/status/819892133243064323)
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pfefferle GWG sure... and the hope dies last...
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pfefferle GWG if this makes sense in english :D
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@Inkwater_Masha Does my ebook need an ISBN? http://thefutureofink.com/ebook-publishing-does-your-ebook-need-an-isbn/?platform=hootsuite #selfpub #indieauth #publishing (twitter.com/_/status/819907362802794496)
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Zegnat Interesting overlap of the indieauth hashtag! ^
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aaronpk it used to be that it was just RTs where twitter truncated the last hashtag from #indieauthor to #indieauth but it seems people are using it directly now
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@hmans Webmention is now a W3C Recommendation. That's awesome! https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/REC-webmention-20170112/ (twitter.com/_/status/819941354834890752)
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loqi.me created /HWC_Brussels (+43) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /Netherlands (+130) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by sebsel" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /SF (+475) "create page instead of redirect, similar to [[NYC]]" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /SF (+87) "fortnightly HWCs" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Netherlands (+98) "dfn, note HWCs" (view diff)
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seblog.nl moved /Netherlands to /The_Netherlands "That's the 'official' English name :)"
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sebsel what is Nederland?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Nederland" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sebsel Nederland is [[The Netherlands]]
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loqi.me created /Nederland (+28) "prompted by sebsel and dfn added by sebsel" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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sebsel Cuz' thats Dutch
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sebsel what is nl?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "nl" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sebsel nl is [[The Netherlands]]
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loqi.me created /nl (+28) "prompted by sebsel and dfn added by sebsel" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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sebsel That's enough aliasses I guess
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tantek lol
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seblog.nl edited /The_Netherlands (+523) "added people and some trivia" (view diff)
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sebsel what is Hyves?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Hyves" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sebsel Hyves was a social network [[silo]], mostly popular in The Netherlands, which was discontinued in 2013.
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loqi.me created /Hyves (+135) "prompted by sebsel and dfn added by sebsel" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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sebsel what is site deaths?
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Loqi Site deaths are when sites go offline, taking content and permalinks with them, and breaking the web accordingly https://indieweb.org/site-deaths
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sebsel oh no! Hyves had robots.txt so no wayback machine :(
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sebsel I should not do this in #dev, sorry.
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Loqi *sniff*
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Loqi agreed.
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gregorlove.com edited /Vine (+143) "note 2017-01-17 backup cutoff" (view diff)
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tantek whoa
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tantek.com edited /Vine (+113) "note how to export just mp4, and what about responses" (view diff)
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gRegorLove That's in the FAQ link. responses are in the index.html you get from the website (but not the app)
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Loqi gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 1 day, 17 hours ago: on https://gregorlove.com/2017/01/homebrew-website-club/ I get "Notice: Undefined variable: matches in /home/gregorlove/gregorlove.com/site/templates/event.php on line 10" at the top
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gRegorLove Oops. Thanks for the heads up.
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seblog.nl edited /Hyves (+1859) "expanding" (view diff)
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seblog.nl uploaded /File:smiley_banana.gif "iconic Hyves emoticon"
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seblog.nl edited /Hyves (+61) "iconic banana" (view diff)
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seblog.nl edited /site-deaths (+207) "/* 2013 */" (view diff)
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seblog.nl edited /Hyves (+430) "remembered another post type" (view diff)
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seblog.nl edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+80) "added Location links" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /Birmingham (+25) "prompted by sebsel and dfn added by sebsel" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /San_Francisco (+15) "prompted by sebsel and dfn added by sebsel" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu since when did CSS display become so complicated : https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/display
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voxpelli oh, that's grown quite a bit :/
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KartikPrabhu yeah and didn't realise that iniline-block was legacy now
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: https://drafts.csswg.org/css-display/ is still an editors draft so it probably is just a suggested legacy
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KartikPrabhu in any case, browsers will support legacy CSS values
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KartikPrabhu so it isn't a problem, but the new properties seem pretty complicated to grok
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voxpelli seems like they solve the complexity by splitting it up into two – probably makes sense considering Flexbox, Grid and such
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voxpelli it shows only Firefox as supporting the new stuff like "flow-root", so probably very early days yet – possible to drop inline-block in 5-8 years?
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KartikPrabhu according to this: https://drafts.csswg.org/css-display/ it seems inline-block = inline flow-root
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voxpelli looks like it will soon appear in CanIUse: https://github.com/Fyrd/caniuse/pull/3069 + Chrome has an intent to implement and ship it
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tantek coincidentally I'm in the CSS Working Group meeting *right now* in Seattle
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voxpelli I guess then that the version of that very document, which was published today, is an outcome of that meeting :)
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KartikPrabhu what's a <ruby> element?
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sebsel it's for Asian languages, to show pronunciation information
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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sebsel there are infinite ways to pronounce 生 in Japanese :P
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KartikPrabhu gotcha