#dev 2017-02-18

2017-02-18 UTC
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[keithjgrant] Question about authorization endpoints on http://indieweb.org/authorization-endpoint#Auth_code_verification
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[keithjgrant] Why do you need to verify the code, before then requesting a token (http://indieweb.org/obtaining-an-access-token#Token_Endpoint)
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[keithjgrant] wouldn't receiving a token w/ the expected "me" verify that the code is trusted?
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tantek.com edited /quotation (+160) "Brainstorming / Falcon / link to working on subsection" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /quotation (+268) "/* Bridgy */ provide summary of the markup that Bridgy Publish is looking for" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] Verifying gives you the me url to use, right? Eg if there are multiple users for the domain
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aaronpk [keithjgrant]: the section you linked describes how to build a token endpoint
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aaronpk if your token endpoint and authorization endpoint are part of the same system then you don't need to use that API to verify it, but the token endpoint is going to have to verify the token somehow
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aaronpk i will note that in the page
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aaronparecki.com edited /obtaining-an-access-token (+404) "/* Token Endpoint */ clarify" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /quotation (+189) "/* Quote entirety with commentary */ Note Bridgy Publish support+date, my example+date" (view diff)
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[keithjgrant] ...so if I'm coding an app, and I am authenticating against indieauth.com, it redirects back to my app's redirect_uri with a `code` in the GET params
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[keithjgrant] I need to use that code to get an `access_token`, correct?
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[keithjgrant] (then use that token to post to a micropub endpoint)
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aaronpk yep
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aaronpk you exchange the code for an access token at the token endpoint
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[keithjgrant] cool
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aaronpk if you're building an app, you don't have to worry about how the code is verified, that's just business between the token endpoint and the thing that generated the code
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aaronpk huh this is harder than I thought. how can I find all emoji in a string?
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tantek heh, sounds like a variant of what ben_thatmustbeme was working on
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tantek for his reacji support
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aaronpk yeah i actually started this by being like "oh i'll just use ben's library"
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aaronpk but his is specifically checking whether a string is a single emoji
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tantek sounds like a useful function to use, character by character in a string ;)
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aaronpk that's tricky, because "character" is not that simple
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aaronpk a single emoji may be composed of many characters (byte sequences)
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tantek sure sure, PHP unicode string ops and all that
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aaronpk ?‍?‍?‍? is actually 7 characters i think
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aaronpk each person joined with joining characters
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tantek presumably you can URL escape that
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tantek and find out!
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aaronpk %F0%9F%91%A8%E2%80%8D%F0%9F%91%A9%E2%80%8D%F0%9F%91%A6%E2%80%8D%F0%9F%91%A6
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aaronpk looooool
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tantek long emoji encoding is loooooooooong
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[kevinmarks] I used to be able to count characters in utf8 by eye but I seem to have forgotten
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[kevinmarks] If it's < 80 it's 1 char, if it's over 80 keep eating bytes until one is <B0
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[kevinmarks] No, that's not right
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[kevinmarks] <80 is a char 9x or Ax means 2 bytes is a char Ex is 3 Fx is 4
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[kevinmarks] So that is 7 chars
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[kevinmarks] The people are 4 bytes, the zwj is 3
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aaronpk Where is this documented?
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aaronpk Im considering making a library that takes a string input and returns all the emoji names it finds as the names from iamcal's library
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[kevinmarks] There is a spec for utf-8 that is fairly simple to get chars
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[kevinmarks] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3629#section-4
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[kevinmarks] the Wikipedia page is clearer
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[kevinmarks] The joins are trickier, as it only shows as one emoji if your system has a glyph for that combination
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[kevinmarks] Which gets more complicated with race and gender modifiers
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[kevinmarks] https://eev.ee/blog/2016/04/12/apple-did-not-invent-emoji/ is a really good explanation
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tantek.com edited /tinbox (+115) "/* See Also */ linky, like in h-card" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk, xray response format seems *almost identical* to jf2
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tantek I wonder if you could file issues on jf2 to adopt the improvements you came up with?
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tantek e.g. "content" has "html" and "text" explicitly inside
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tantek rather than "content-type" and then just "value" being HTML
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tantek I'm comparing https://indieweb.org/jf2#Example and https://github.com/aaronpk/XRay#response-format
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[kevinmarks] Isn't xray a more predictable subset of jf2?
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tantek no it's almost identical
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tantek both are subsets of mf2 json
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tantek compare yourself ^^^ ^^^
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tantek (the two URLs I just pasted)
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tantek sigh, xray example references poetica, which has also shutdown
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tantek alright I filed https://github.com/dissolve/jf2/issues/13 to try to incorporate some xray improvement into jf2
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tantek jf2 << [https://github.com/dissolve/jf2 jf2 specification]
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://github.com/dissolve/jf2 jf2 specification]" to the "See Also" section of /jf2
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loqi.me edited /jf2 (+54) "tantek added "[https://github.com/dissolve/jf2 jf2 specification]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek jf2 << [https://github.com/dissolve/jf2/issues jf2 spec issues and feature requests]
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loqi.me edited /jf2 (+80) "tantek added "[https://github.com/dissolve/jf2/issues jf2 spec issues and feature requests]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://github.com/dissolve/jf2/issues jf2 spec issues and feature requests]" to the "See Also" section of /jf2
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tantek what is ICANN
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ICANN" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek wat
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tantek ICANN is an organization that makes rules about [[domain name]]s and sends emails when domain contact information changes which can be a problem as documented in https://levels.io/icann-mafia/
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Loqi ok
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Loqi The ICANN mafia has taken my site hostage for 2 days now
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tantek bear ^^^ you'll probably have a better dfn than that ;)
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tantek what is ICANN?
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Loqi ICANN is an organization that makes rules about domain names and sends emails when domain contact information changes which can be a problem as documented in https://levels.io/icann-mafia/ https://indieweb.org/ICANN
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aaronpk interesting
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aaronpk well seeing as jf2 hasn't had much development on its own recently, it seems reasonable to treat xray's format as an evolution of jf2
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2017-02-17-indieauth-github-aaronpk.png]]""
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GWG aaronpk: I just like the idea of a simplified object.
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aaronpk that's what jf2 originally wanted to be, and that's what i've been doing with xray
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aaronpk i've been iterating more on xray lately because what's currently documented as jf2 didn't address all of my needs
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GWG aaronpk: What differences have you put in?
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aaronpk i'd have to check again
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tantek.com edited /IndieAuth (+650) "/* Why is GitHub not working */ Why the Aaronpk icon when using GitHub" (view diff)
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aaronpk xray is stricter though, actually aware of vocabulary
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tantek success!!! that upload and edit came from the new laptop
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tantek what is IndieAuth?
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Loqi IndieAuth is a way to use your own domain name to sign in to websites — it's like OpenID, but works with services you likely already use, and is much easier to setup https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth
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aaronpk one example is xray won't return properties from the h-entry that it doesn't know about, rather than just blindly transforming the mf2
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tantek interesting!
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tantek I think that's ok for it to use a proper *subset* of jf2 like that
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tantek still useful to converge
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GWG Ditto on my ripoff of x-ray
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aaronpk there are some properties it always returns as a string
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aaronpk so if the h-entry has multiple values, it would only use the first
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tantek got it
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tantek I thought jf2 did some of that too
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tantek anywa
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aaronpk e.g. published, since it's not really well defined what multiple published dates means
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tantek aaronpk: I'll let you update the details here ;) https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth#Why_the_Aaronpk_icon_when_using_GitHub
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aaronpk i believe jf2 returns a string if the value is an array with one string
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tantek ah ok
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tantek whereas xray would always return e.g. the *first* string in some instances (properties)
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tantek I still think it's useful to have compat in those cases
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[kevinmarks] My mf2 to jf2 translation makes children if there are multiples, whereas choosing one or concatenation may be a reasonable thing to do too
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[kevinmarks] You could be valid jf2 by lossily transforming an mf2 parse
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[kevinmarks] Eg you could mf2 parse a page, and run the authorship algorithm then return a jf2 h-card
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GWG Morning
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Loqi rise and shine!
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[keithjgrant] For any interested, https://github.com/keithjgrant/omnibear
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[keithjgrant] It currently asks for your domain, opens indieauth.com in a new tab, and upon successful authentication, stores the auth token into the extensions localStorage
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[keithjgrant] still has a few hard-coded values (auth & token endpoints) that it should read from the user's domain
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[keithjgrant] (still under early dev, so files will be shifting a lot this weekend)
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aaronpk wow awesome!
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: if i can get through this week, i'd be happy to help with your emoji code
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martymcguire[m] what is this-week
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Loqi This Week in the IndieWeb is a weekly digest of activities of the IndieWeb community https://indieweb.org/this-week
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martymcguire[m] what is thisweek
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Loqi This Week in the IndieWeb is a weekly digest of activities of the IndieWeb community https://indieweb.org/thisweek
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: I think I'm gonna try again today. Going to start on it earlier
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aaronpk i think i'm going to start with that now actually
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aaronpk all coffee'd up and ready to dive in to learning about unicode
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aaronpk holy cow unicode and utf-8 are confusing
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snarfed aaronpk: i commiserate. granary bug i'm currently trying to fix is due to python incompletely handling multi-code-point chars. :/
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Loqi snarfed: petermolnar left you a message 1 day, 4 hours ago: I've merged your changes into mine in https://github.com/petermolnar/webmention-tools but I don't think my additional lookups are needed for the main branch; if you have time to check them though, and you think it would worth having only one of these, please tell me
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aaronpk oof
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aaronpk php's multibyte strings don't understand multi-code-points, which i think is fine, it just means i have to do that work
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aaronpk s/strings/string functions/
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snarfed ...at least i think? i don't fully understand some of the words in that sentence i just wrote :P
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/granary/commit/0a97bc209c8d8b6927dad8b524288cc65011e052
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aaronpk might be worth re-reading https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2003/10/08/the-absolute-minimum-every-software-developer-absolutely-positively-must-know-about-unicode-and-character-sets-no-excuses/
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snarfed petermolnar++ thanks!
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Loqi petermolnar has 2 karma in this channel (29 overall)
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aaronpk what I don't understand is how to go from utf-8 to code points
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aaronpk found it http://stackoverflow.com/a/7153133
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aaronpk now i have my string as a list of unicode code points
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aaronpk what did that do
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aaronpk lol
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sknebel ?
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: these lists of hex values... where did they come from and how often do they change? https://github.com/dissolve/single-emoji-recognizer/blob/master/src/emoji.php
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aaronpk e.g. when the unicode consortium defines new emoji
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aaronpk oh hey emojione has done almost all the work for me https://demos.emojione.com/2.1.0/phptoshort.php
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aaronpk whoa i don't know what their regex does but it's amazing
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snarfed sounds like pretty much all of my experience authoring and using regexps :P
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aaronpk haha
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Loqi aaronpk: lol
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aaronpk i mean, it looks like it's just matching a bunch of character ranges, but this looks painful to write
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aaronpk \o/
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aaronpk ?‍?‍?‍? 7 man-woman-boy-boy 1F468-200D-1F469-200D-1F466-200D-1F466
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[kevinmarks] Utf8 is not that confusing if you look at it in bits
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[kevinmarks] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8#Description
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[kevinmarks] That Wikipedia bit explains it well.
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martymcguire[m] haha, whoops, already blew it with the url, haha.
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Loqi nice
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aaronpk easy fix :)
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martymcguire[m] thanks very much for the fix!
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martymcguire[m] oof, i even wrote down /last-week in my script and must have completely misread it. i wonder if i did that with any other urls.
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tantek martymcguire[m]: no problem. and yes, both /lastweek and /nexthwc :)
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tantek hence I jumped on creating those redirects
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tantek well, I fixed /last-week (double redirect) and you created /lastweek :)
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tantek (before I got the chance)
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martymcguire[m] thanks for those. i was hoping to avoid having to say "next dash hwc" and the like. i had checked that "this-week" and "thisweek" both resolved to the right place. but then i said the wrong URL and hadn't checked nexthwc...
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tantek interesting, I wonder if there are any existing u-audio consumers
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aaronpk p3k is a u-audio consumer :)
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aaronpk cause i can repost things with u-audio and it downloads the audio
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tantek it does? where does it download it to?!?
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aaronpk to my server!
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tantek whoa
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aaronpk same as if I had posted an audio file
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tantek what is audio?
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Loqi audio is a sound recording indieweb post that is spoken or otherwise created by the author of a site https://indieweb.org/Audio
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aaronpk that's the approach I took for reposts. treat it as if I had written the post myself, but show the original author
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tantek aaronpk ^^^ add yourself to IndieWeb Examples and add an Implementations section that notes that p3k consumes audio posts!!!
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aaronpk oh hey
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[keithjgrant] who here works in JS/node?
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tantek I feel like we just had that conversation! or maybe in #indieweb? not sure
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tantek voxpelli for one
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[keithjgrant] I think you're right
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[keithjgrant] but my memory is bad ?
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tantek fortunately our IRC log search is awesome thanks to cweiske!
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aaronpk well that was a project
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/emoji-detector-php
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tantek whoa
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martymcgui.re edited /audio (+534) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add my latest audio post, other indieweb-enabled podcast" (view diff)
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aaronpk now for the writeup
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tantek now to make an issue about parsing <audio> tags!
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tantek oh, already in the mf2 parsing spec! brilliang!
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tantek brilliant even
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tantek at least for audio src=
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tantek and source src=
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tantek aaronpk your 100 days of music posts are using <video> tag, not <audio>
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aaronpk yeah when there's also a video I render the <video> tag and include a hidden u-audio link
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tantek ohhh
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aaronpk i wanted that feed to still be usable to create a podcast feed from, so I needed the u-audio in there
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tantek makes sense, noting
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[kevinmarks] Did you try your code on flags?
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk i should add one to the test
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tantek flags?
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tantek are there six of them?
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Loqi it is probable
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tantek lol
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[kevinmarks] They recently added subnational flags for Scotland, England and Wales
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[kevinmarks] http://blog.emojipedia.org/emoji-flags-approved-for-england-scotland-wales/
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tantek hey aaronpk this https://aaronparecki.com/2017/02/17/21/day-59 should also be (hash)tagged oauth
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Day 59: Updated the Logo on IndieAuth.com's GitHub Login #100DaysOfIndieWeb
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tantek so it shows up in your oauth blog ;)
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tantek needs to support tag-of replies so he could send a webmention that means that
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[kevinmarks] This should also mean that Texans will be able to stop using the Chilean flag by mistake, eventually
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tantek subnation != state presumably
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tantek somehow I doubt state flags will make the cut
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[kevinmarks] No, they are expressed by the spec
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[kevinmarks] https://www.google.com/amp/www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/texas/amp/Texas-lawmakers-coming-out-hard-again-Chilean-10940691.php
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tantek not a headline I would have imagined seeing
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tantek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Chile#Similar_flags
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