#dev 2017-03-03

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tantek.com edited /events/2017-03-08-homebrew-website-club (-53) "HWC SF venue confirmed @MozSF, SF confirmed, RSVP self for SF" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /giving-credit (+59) "/* Facebook */ add mobile app example" (view diff)
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tantek hey that's very cool aaronpk
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tantek "Posted with p3k"!
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tantek is that a generic FB app icon next to it?
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tantek could you change that to something specific?
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tantek do you have an icon for p3k?
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aaronpk oh i bet i could
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aaronpk i don't have a great icon yet
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keithjgrant.com edited /Omnibear (+0) "/* See Also */" (view diff)
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aaronpk [keithjgrant] any chance i could get you to fill this out for Omnibear? https://github.com/w3c/Micropub/blob/master/implementation-reports/CLIENT-TEMPLATE.md
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[eddie] Hey guys, I'm working on implementing my official "collections" in Jekyll prior to setting up my micropub endpoint integration. I've been reading up on the Wiki about Post types. Seems like the goal is "as much as possible" to minimize post types and rely on note with attributes as much as possible. My main thought is to have a note also be able to convert to (Reply, Photo, Video or Checkin) depending on the attributes added to the content type.
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[eddie] that note doesn't have a Title. So if I have an Article with a photo, it will still be an Article type, not a Photo type. This means my collection/post types would be: Note (with other types), Article, Read, Watch, Listen, Event and Meta.
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[eddie] Meta is: repost, like, and mood
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[eddie] So that'll be one type that changes based on attributes. Not sure if I should just merge Meta and Note.
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GWG [eddie]: Have you ever looked at post type discovery?
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[eddie] I've read some of it on Indieweb and an old blog post by aaronpk
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[eddie] But i definitely might have missed some stuff
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[eddie] I read about post-type discovery on this page: https://indieweb.org/posts
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GWG The idea is basically that you don't strongly type your entries...you derive the type from the properties
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[eddie] Okay, that's the general direction I was thinking with the Note -> Reply, Photo, Video, Checkin. Is it generally accepted practice to have that expand wider than that?
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[eddie] I could see the Article and Meta merging into the same thing. I think my Read/Watch/Listen might be a little complicated to merge into the auto-discovery type workflow as I think there's going to be a lot of attributes going on with them
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GWG [eddie]: The recommended practice is to add types over time as you need/use them.
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GWG Of course, I don't listen, but I have other limitations to work under. I'm the one who maintains the WordPress plugin that handles Indieweb post types. So I have to work within their structure.
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[eddie] I think that's a good direction. Thinking through that more, I'm wondering if I could boil it down to Note and Media/Action. Media/Action for my brainstorming with the Read/Watch/Listen type, and then the Note would be able to transform into Reply, Photo, Video, Checkin, Repost, Like, Mood, Article based on attributes/discovery. That does narrow it down quite a bit
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[eddie] Thanks for talking it through, GWG :)
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GWG [eddie]: Any time. Been there
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[eddie] Anyone else who stumbles across this tonight/tomorrow, feel free to voice your thoughts. Trying to learn from your all's wisdom
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KevinMarks There is the spec tantek is working on
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KevinMarks What are post types
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Loqi Post or posts may refer to individual pieces of content published on an indieweb site such as notes, articles, & responses, or the act of creating the aforementioned content (present tense), or Posts about the IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/Post_Types
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GWG KevinMarks: That is what I was referring to when I said Post Type discovery
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KevinMarks https://indieweb.org/post_type_discovery
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KevinMarks Is the more formal spec
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GWG My thinking has evolved in that.
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GWG I need more strict typing because of what I'm doing, but I'm trying to loosen it in some areas.
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[eddie] Awesome, I'll read those. Thanks!
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[keithjgrant] aaronpk re: implementation report: Sure thing. I'll see if I can get that done tomorrow
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aaronpk Awesome, thanks!
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sebastiangreger.net edited /events/2017-03-08-homebrew-website-club (+81) "/* Berlin */ added indie event" (view diff)
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cweiske.de uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:omnibear.png]]""
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cweiske.de edited /Omnibear (+24) "link screenshot" (view diff)
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cweiske.de edited /Omnibear (+25) (view diff)
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jkphl.is created /2017/Berlin (+4926) "Created page with "= <span class="p-name summary">IndieWebCamp Berlin 2017</span> = The '''third IndieWebCamp in Berlin''', but just one of many [[IndieWebCamps]]! <div class="p-description descr..."" (view diff)
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jkphl.is created /2017/Berlin/Guest_List (+4533) "Created page with "__TOC__ <div class="h-event vevent"> == [[2017/Berlin|IndieWebCamp Berlin 2017]] == * '''When:''' <span class="dt-start dtstart"><time class="value">2017-11-04</time> <time class..."" (view diff)
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jkphl.is edited /Main_Page (+217) "/* Upcoming IndieWebCamps */" (view diff)
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jkphl.is edited /Planning (-22) "/* Berlin */" (view diff)
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jkphl.is edited /Planning (-26) "/* Dusseldorf */" (view diff)
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jkphl.is edited /Planning (+209) "/* Nürnberg */" (view diff)
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@Inkwater_Masha Design grids for good graphic design (aka book covers) http://artistjournals.tumblr.com/post/53481707937/graphicporn-drawings-by-mark-a?platform=hootsuite #selfpub #indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/837662666168676355)
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martymcgui.re edited /next-hwc (+0) "update to 2017-03-08" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /events/2017-03-08-homebrew-website-club (-428) "/* US East */ Defer Baltimore HWC to 2017-03-22" (view diff)
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seblog.nl edited /repost (+881) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ added myself" (view diff)
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tantek sebsel++
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sebsel :)
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tantek.com edited /category (+1) "somehow the plural won for this one?" (view diff)
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[keithjgrant] Yay! I'm officially a contributor to two different W3C groups! ?
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Loqi woot
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tantek whoa congrats keithjgrant!
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tantek keithjgrant++
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seblog.nl edited /quotation (+351) "Added myself here too, since I'm on the edge of reposts/quotes" (view diff)
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tantek what is on the edge?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "on the edge" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sebsel well, I only show the first 50 words of a repost.
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sebsel is that a repost or a quote?
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tantek that's interesting. I'm not sure that's a full repost then
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tantek yeah that sounds more like a quotation
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tantek I think I wrote that one up
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sebsel To quote what I just wrote on the wiki: "{{sebsel}} displays only the first 50 words of a [[repost]], making retweets full reposts, but articles more like quotations. Since it's always the first 50 words, not a particular interesting part of the post, he still considers this reposting. He points at the whole post, and only quotes to keep copyright
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sebsel holders happy."
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sebsel I don't know, maybe it's easier to just delete my repost of an article, and have reposts only as retweets.
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aaronpk i don't think i would feel comfortable reposting an entire article
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sebsel I don't want to start yet another post-type. I have too many already
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aaronpk but i do like posting snippets from articles as bookmarks
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sebsel aaronpk that's my point
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sebsel Maybe I should make it a bookmark then.
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aaronpk right now my software supports reposting an article, but i have never done that and don't plan to. the closest thing was reposting martymcguire's podcast
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sebsel my motivations at that time where that I wanted the article to be visible, even when his server would go down.
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sebsel I thought that was a valid reason to repost
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aaronpk interesting yeah
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sebsel but now it only gives trouble.
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sebsel not that he noticed my reposting, but it has me thinking about my reposts.
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aaronpk maybe that use case is just something else and should be thought of separately than a repost
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sebsel yeah, more a seblog.nl/temp/etc
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aaronpk // TODO: implement this flowchart for webmention notifications https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1000/0*PV_09olld6K1l8jQ.
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aaronpk from https://slack.engineering/reducing-slacks-memory-footprint-4480fec7e8eb
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sebsel lol
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tantek sebsel, what you're doing is more a quotation than a repost
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tantek some analysis / guidance: https://indieweb.org/quotation#Portion_not_whole and https://indieweb.org/quotation#repost
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sebsel tantek yes, but... "The point of a quotation is to call out a specific subset, or emphasize one point or paragraph from someone else's post."
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sebsel And I don't, I want to point to the whole article.
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tantek yeah
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tantek I know, you're quoting my words :)
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tantek finds it hilarious when people quote his own words written on a wiki to debate a point with him :)
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tantek sebsel - in that case it's almost more like a bookmark
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tantek since you're not deliberately emphasizing that part of the post
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tantek your "first 50 words" is more like a bookmark-preview or a bookmark-context (similar in concept to /reply-context )
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sebsel quoting a wiki about quoting... It's getting confusing :)
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sebsel yes, I think that's what's happening here: at the time posting it, I thought it was good to make a complete copy of the post, so I reposted
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sebsel afterward, I felt uneasy about that, so now I should change it to just a bookmark.
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sebsel I think that solves all the problems I'm having here
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tantek cool, I'll add that then - thanks for the interesting example!
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sebsel (lol, changing this turns out as easy as just replace 'Repost-of: http..' with 'Bookmark-of: http..' in the .txt file of my post :) the display just changes in what I want)
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aaronpk \o/
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tantek.com edited /quotation (+364) "/* bookmark */ add sebsel example, automatic chosen portion of another post" (view diff)
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tantek and documented
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tantek sebsel++
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seblog.nl edited /quotation (-352) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ removed myself now that I don't cut off posts anymore" (view diff)
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sebsel :)
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sebsel I actually just deleted the 50-words-code.
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tantek what is a bookmark
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Loqi A bookmark (or linkblog) is a post that is primarily comprised of a URL, often title text from that URL, sometimes optional text describing, tagging, or quoting from its contents https://indieweb.org/bookmark
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tantek so now add yourself there
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sebsel so many pages! so much multitasking!
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sebsel makes a list of edits to be done
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tantek lol, that's what open tabs are for
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aaronpk ?
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2017-03-03-fb-event-ui-main.png]]""
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2017-03-03-fb-event-ui-page.png]]""
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tantek alright those two are for /event#Facebook if anyone wants to add them there as latest iteration (2017), while keeping the previous UIs
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tantek g2g for now
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[keithjgrant] So when you repost something (via MicroPub), what should grab the text/excerpt? The MP client, MP endpoint server, or site server?
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aaronpk right now i believe most people have done that on their server
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aaronpk clients just send the URL
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aaronpk i could imagine clients posting an h-cite object as the repost-of value, but that isn't how it's happened in practice yet
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[keithjgrant] Just makes it interesting for static sites, I guess
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[keithjgrant] (though I do have mine automatically embedding tweets via JS)
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bear i've always been a fan of the site doing all requests that way it's the only IP address that is exposed
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aaronpk interesting point
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aaronpk if my client fetched the post content, then it would be potentially "leaking" which client I use, which may not be desirable
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seblog.nl edited /repost (+262) "/* Sebastiaan Andeweg */" (view diff)
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seblog.nl edited /bookmark (+353) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Added myself" (view diff)
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aaronpk !!
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GWG Afternoon
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aaronparecki.com moved /indigenous to /Indigenous "capitalize proper nouns"
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gregorlove.com edited /repo (-26) "r" (view diff)
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tantek gRegorLove++ thanks for that fix :)
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gregorlove.com edited /2017/Berlin (+50) "dfn" (view diff)
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tantek good catch
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gRegorLove yw. I try to go through the preview this-week and make fixes before it goes out
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tantek good idea!
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gRegorLove Usually to make sure they have dfns
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tantek.com edited /events/2017-02-22-homebrew-website-club (-151) "fixed the commented out locations too" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2017-02-22-homebrew-website-club (+6) "remove TBD, move PDX to West etc., add SF photo after the fact" (view diff)
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tantek ok I think that one is fixed
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tantek now to fix 2017-03-08
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tantek.com edited /events/2017-03-08-homebrew-website-club (-67) "remove extra backcompat markup for 2nd level deep h-cards" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /moblogging (+38) "despite" (view diff)
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tantek 2017-03-08 fixed
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tantek.com edited /events/2017-03-08-homebrew-website-club (+5) "name!" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2017-03-08-homebrew-website-club (+38) "abbr CA California" (view diff)
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tantek gRegorLove: can you review https://indieweb.org/events/2017-03-08-homebrew-website-club and see if it looks good for replication?
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tantek maybe note if anything looks weird or odd or inconsistent?
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tantek I *think* it's ready, but could use a second pair of eyes
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gRegorLove For London, is "WC2N 4BA" the postal code or part of the street address?
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gRegorLove In the mf2 it's in the street-address
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tantek.com edited /event (+395) "/* Facebook */ add 2017 screenshots" (view diff)
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tantek gRegorLove: oops that's postal code
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gRegorLove Otherwise mf2 looks good. Rest of the content looks good too.
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2017-03-08-homebrew-website-club (+11) "/* US West */ abbr WA to match other US addresses" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2017-03-08-homebrew-website-club (+35) "/* UK */ fix postal-code mf2" (view diff)