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# 02:23 GWG I got you radio buttons and checkboxes, by the way. I believe you were the one who asked for them # 02:25 miklb I got sidetracked on typography for the refresh and haven't looked at any code yet. Checkboxes should make it easier for people to chose multiple kinds. # 02:26 GWG I did that last night. The only downside is the settings storage has been moved so everyone will have to reset. No more iwt_options, which was a legacy holdover anyway # 02:26 miklb that won't affect previous posts will it? # 02:28 GWG No. That is just the interface for showing which kinds to enable. It isn't checked for display # 02:48 GWG miklb: Do you have time to look at something in the existing version you have installed? # 02:48 miklb sure, actually just firing up local dev environment # 02:48 GWG Ever looked at the help section in the Post Editor? # 02:49 GWG So, no one ever noticed that feature..hmmm... # 02:52 GWG An instruction set for Post Properties # 02:53 miklb I don't see anything. Should I be looking in the branch I have checked out, or my live site with the stable version? # 02:54 GWG Either should have it. It has been there for several versions. # 02:55 miklb that's the branch, and am seeing same thing on live site # 02:55 GWG Mine has a tab called Post Properties. Hmm...no wonder no one noticed # 03:02 GWG I also need to fix the issues with author icons. # 03:06 GWG They aren't scaled. They have the height set in HTML, similar to avatars. # 03:06 GWG Also, the question of sideloading has come up. # 03:25 GWG Yes, but I'd like to store the scaled icon if possible. # 03:26 GWG The more ambitious idea is to have a nicknames cache # 03:26 GWG But that sounds like it would be better as a plugin that could be used by multiple plugins. # 03:28 GWG So, what is a solution that could be used, but could be overridden by a cache if one is installed? # 03:29 GWG Yes, but would people be annoyed if the author icons became part of their media library? # 03:31 miklb I think if you start trying to store your own images otherwise, you're asking for a headache # 03:31 miklb can you add a new media item? So they are stored away from the images gallery? # 03:35 miklb not finding an option for that. Seems you can add categories and taxonomy though # 03:37 GWG Well, folders in the media gallery is a long awaited feature request in Core [chrisaldrich] joined the channel
# 03:38 [chrisaldrich] aaronpk mentioned the benefit of storing one's own author pictures earlier today (for speed) # 03:38 GWG [chrisaldrich]: You are welcome to weigh in on author and featured images. # 03:39 GWG Yes, and I'd like to build that as a separate plugin. So, if installed, it would take it from Post Kinds and Semantic Linkbacks # 03:39 GWG But for now, I need the built-in implementation improved. # 03:39 [chrisaldrich] It would be nice if more services placed author photos at canonical URLs so that if/when they change, the photos propagate across the web. # 03:40 miklb GWG I would say if it's an itch you want to scratch to store the author images, start with the media gallery, maybe with a simple way to disable? # 03:40 GWG My plan for that was a button next to the URL that said, 'sideload image' # 03:41 [chrisaldrich] Since I own my own site, it's much easier to change/update my photo but still leave the permalink for it the same. # 03:42 [chrisaldrich] I have gone in and manually changed some photo urls on comments/webmentions in the past when they've broken, but it's a losing battle. # 03:42 GWG For me, I use an older plugin that doesn't keep the URL the same # 03:43 GWG The scope for the nicknames cache/user image cache is to put it in the WordPress users table, so it would support local avatars as well # 03:43 [chrisaldrich] It would be nice if more used something like gravatar so that photos always populated in a simple way. # 03:43 GWG [chrisaldrich]: REST API would allow that # 03:44 [chrisaldrich] GWG: your idea above with WP users table sounds interesting, that's where I would think to put it logically. # 03:45 GWG Imagine implementing the the Gravatar API locally # 03:46 [chrisaldrich] I'm surprised that given their ubiquity that sites like Facebook and Twitter don't make canonical profile photo URLs so things like that propagate across the web easily. # 03:48 GWG Hmm...looking. Could possibly use the REST API with some backend changes. # 03:49 [chrisaldrich] either rewriting/redirecting the URL, or just replacing the contents of what's at the end of that URL # 03:53 aaronpk i'm intrigued by the idea of a separate plugin to store author images # 03:53 aaronpk that seems like a reasonable approach. provide basic functionality in the main plugin and "advanced" functionality in another plugin # 03:54 aaronpk that additional functionality is more of an internal optimization thing, since it won't have a huge visible effect, which seems like a good split for plugins # 03:55 GWG I am about to file a ticket request about something related # 03:56 aaronpk making it so you don't also have to install another plugin in addition to the webmention plugin to make the comments look nicer? # 03:58 GWG aaronpk: Well, you will have to do that regardless. An image cache is outside of webmention scope, but it can be progressively enhanced. I am going to propose to pfefferle that the image support move from Semantic Linkbacks over to Webmentions. # 03:58 GWG I want to try to move over as much as he feels comfortable with. # 03:59 GWG But I'm filing a core trac ticket about the fact the avatar functionality for the REST API assumes the only parameter is email address. # 03:59 aaronpk oof, sounds like an artifact of avatars being based on gravatar # 04:00 GWG aaronpk: It is. That is a bigger issue. But I'd like them to make these adjustments before they start claiming backward compatibility. # 04:00 miklb well, considering Automattic owns Gravatar and is integrated with wp.com and jetpack… # 04:00 GWG Self Hosted WordPress depending on a service is a mistake they can't easily correct, but they could back away from it # 04:01 GWG But local avatar support is something everyone says they want, but no one championed # 04:08 miklb I've built it into a few sites, I'm sure buddypress has support for it by now. [kevinmarks] joined the channel
# 04:43 [chrisaldrich] Reminds me that I need to get back to reading through more of WP core to keep up with GWG.... # 05:01 miklb WP on a raspberry PI with support for camera and SENSE HAT # 05:01 miklb pictures mini weather station posting to his blog # 05:01 GWG miklb: I have a weather station on a Raspberry Pi now # 05:02 GWG The software I use supports posting to an external site. # 05:51 miklb at some point I'm sure I'll have questions about that. # 05:52 GWG miklb: I never implemented actually posting to an external site, except standard ones, but I'd like to someday [jeremycherfas] joined the channel
# 06:01 aaronpk I want a weather station but I keep living in apartments # 06:02 GWG aaronpk: I have it outside and I live in an apartment [chrisaldrich] joined the channel
# 06:06 GWG Well, I heard of someone who got the owner to let them put it on the roof # 06:26 miklb good night all. Hope to be able to get back at it tomorrow evening. mblaney and tantek joined the channel
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# 13:43 jonnybarnes that is to say a client only needs one token to make posts and upload media? Loqi_, [jeremycherfas], [eddie] and tantek joined the channel
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@VinAndella Webmention is a W3C Recommendation #html http://vinbo.com/webmention-is-a-w3c-recommendation/ (twitter.com/_/status/837845092589268992)
[chrisaldrich] Hello W'Pressers
GWG This is what I just reported: https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/40030
miklb this looks neat https://inabox.blog
@dentaku Juhu, Bridgy hat für eins der Blogs heute Nacht 150 Webmentions einfach nochmal geschickt. (twitter.com/_/status/837934714921041920)
jonnybarnes the spec says medie endpoints should accept the same tokens
@lambdadmitry И похожий проект, mentions где угодно: https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ спека https://webmention.io/ реализация https://brid.gy/ сервис (twitter.com/_/status/838063403079987200)
@NelioSoft_ES Trackbacks, pingbacks y webmentions https://neliosoftware.com/es/blog/trackbacks-pingbacks-y-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/838134438907293696)