#dev 2017-03-24

2017-03-24 UTC
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aaronpk okay cool
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Swarm (+1543) "Moved advertising section; added links & see also; OwnYourCheckin w/ example; notes about WordPress use" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Foursquare (+546) "fixed icon; link to Swarm; history notes" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Yelp (+187) "logo; clean up page; see also" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /checkin (+1321) "Fire Eagle history; fixed see also section; example" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com created /hovercards (+23) "redirect to hovercard" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Upcoming.org (+283) "We have a launch date!" (view diff)
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@matthillco Reading up on Webmentions as a way of linking conversations between sites and apps. Bit confusing. Anyone using this? (twitter.com/_/status/845231959190179840)
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@PandoraSpocksWP Cracks me up the way they just sling my images, LOL! So much for Ripl #NotUseful #IndieAuth… http://ripl.com https://twitter.com/PandoraSpocksWP/status/845300796040339459/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/845300796040339459)
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gRegorLove Seems the Twitter API no longer cares if you already have the @-names in the tweet and adds them again: https://twitter.com/gRegorLove/status/845307170543587330
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@gRegorLove @jdragz @girlvsplanet @indiana_mama @girlvsplanet @indiana_mama That works for me. (twitter.com/_/status/845307170543587330)
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aaronpk ??
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aaronpk huh, i haven't had that happen yet
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gRegorLove I sent through the first three names, it added the last two. It was in reply to jdragz
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gRegorLove Using Bridgy Publish, aaronpk?
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gRegorLove Maybe it's a Bridgy thing, but I was pretty sure it wasn't doing that, the API was
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aaronpk i use silo.pub and haven't seen that happen yet
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gRegorLove Are you including the @-names in your text?
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aaronpk pretty sure yeah
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[kevinmarks] You may be in the invisible canoe bucket
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[kevinmarks] What is invisible canoe?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "invisible canoe" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[kevinmarks] Oh, I thought I defined that
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tantek what is a canoe
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Loqi canoe is a long chain of replies on twitter, with many people @'d into it https://indieweb.org/canoe
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[kevinmarks] Take a look at these search results: https://twitter.com/hashtag/invisiblecanoe?s=09
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[kevinmarks] See https://dev.twitter.com/overview/api/upcoming-changes-to-tweets
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[kevinmarks] Specifically auto_populate_reply_metadata
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gRegorLove Is there a way I can detect that?
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[kevinmarks] There is a description of the different types of extension there, so if you are calling the api it may show those extensions
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gregorlove.com created /persona (+21) "r" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /Portier (+133) "prompted by sknebel and dfn added by sknebel" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Portier (+29) "linkify" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Persona (+71) "past, link Portier" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Persona (+2) "past tense rest of dfn" (view diff)
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gRegorLove what is persona
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Loqi Persona was an email-based authentication service from Mozilla that was supported by IndieAuth for rel-me links to email addresses; it was shut down November 30, 2016 https://indieweb.org/Persona
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gRegorLove what is portier
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Loqi Portier is an e-mail based authentication service that considers itself to be a successor to Persona https://indieweb.org/Portier
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aaronpk it's ironic to me that email-based authentication mechanisms keep shutting down
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aaronpk the only one that has continued to survive is actually sending an email with a login URL
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aaronpk what is clef?
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Loqi Clef is an application that enables websites to authenticate users without passwords https://indieweb.org/Clef
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aaronparecki.com edited /Clef (-5) (view diff)
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aaronpk what is clef?
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Loqi Clef is an application that enables websites to authenticate users without passwords, however it is scheduled to be shut down 2017-06-06 https://indieweb.org/Clef
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gRegorLove Portier says they'll have self-hosted version this year
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gRegorLove Looks like it's in Rust, though
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tantek what is Rust
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Loqi rust is a systems programming language that runs blazingly fast, prevents segfaults, and guarantees thread safety https://indieweb.org/rust
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tantek what is blazingly?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "blazingly" yet. Would you like to create it?_
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tantek what is thread safety?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "thread safety" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is a segfault?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "segfault" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek ok then
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+17) "archive Parse" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /bot (+19) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /robot (+19) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /robots (+34) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /robots_txt (+13) "tantek added "[[robots]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /Disallow (+185) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /Noindex (+172) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /Allow (+204) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /user-agent (+95) "also robots_txt directive" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /robots_txt (+156) "commands, example" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /user-agent (+35) "code by name" (view diff)
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tantek what is a server
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Loqi Server or web server refers to the hardware and/or software that hosts the content of a web site https://indieweb.org/server
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tantek what is configuration information
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "configuration information" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is configuration
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "configuration" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek huh
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tantek hey bear,
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tantek what is reload
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Loqi reload is a term used to force a service that is running on a server to reload it's configuration information https://indieweb.org/reload
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tantek what is configuration information?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "configuration information" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek ^^^ :)
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bear what is the context?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "context" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek hah
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bear oh - for reload
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aaronpk context is /reply_context
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loqi.me created /context (+26) "prompted by bear and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek context is something that depends on the context, like a [[reply]] typically has a [[reply-context]].
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tantek aww too late
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aaronpk oops
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bear configuration is the information needed by a server service to do it's task, often specified by the command line or a configuration file
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loqi.me created /configuration (+164) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by bear" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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bear configuration information is /configuration
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loqi.me created /configuration_information (+26) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by bear" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek.com edited /context (+102) "dfn" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /query_string (+225) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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aaronpk oh dear, i forgot that webmention.io is broken on my laptop right now
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aaronpk attempts to add a feature without testing until it's in production
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tantek.com moved /nextdoor to /Nextdoor "use canonical capitalization"
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aaronpk and it's live. let's see if this works
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gRegorLove what is context
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Loqi context is something that depends on the context, like a reply typically has a reply-context https://indieweb.org/context
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tantek.com edited /audience (+156) "de-plumb dfn, see also" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Um
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tantek heh
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gRegorLove What is recursion?
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Loqi What is Recursion? https://indieweb.org/Recursion
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tantek what is wp-login.php
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Loqi wp-login.php is the login page for a WordPress installation, and thus is frequently queried (whether you have WordPress installed or not) by bots and other abusive sites looking for out-of-date WordPress installations to attack via WordPress Security holes https://indieweb.org/wp-login.php
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gregorlove.com edited /next-hwc (+0) "next" (view diff)
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gRegorLove What is TLD?
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Loqi A top-level domain (TLD) is the last part of a domain name, such as .com, .net, .org https://indieweb.org/TLD
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gRegorLove What is gTLD?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "gTLD" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is a ccTLD
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ccTLD" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is a short domain?
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Loqi short domains are commonly used on the IndieWeb for personal URL shortening, or clever domain hacks https://indieweb.org/short-domain
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tantek ^^^ might be a good place to start gRegorLove if you want to mention gTLD or ccTLD in linked prose before defining them
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gRegorLove gTLD is mentioned on /.ovh
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /gTLD (+54) "prompted by gRegorLove and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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aaronpk \o/ it works
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gRegorLove Lulz
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gRegorLove I'm for just combining them on /TLD
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gregorlove.com edited /gTLD (-24) "r" (view diff)
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tantek yes that's fine too
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gregorlove.com created /ccTLD (+30) "prompted by tantek" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /File:2017-03-22-hwc-sf.jpg "via {{benwerd}}"
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loqi.me created /spinner (+168) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /spinner (+517) "examples, see also" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /js;dr (+18) "tantek added "[[performance]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Dropbox (+155) "jsdr in the dfn" (view diff)
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2017-03-24-dropbox-js-dr-jpg.png]]""
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tantek.com edited /performance (+96) "dropbox spinner" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Dropbox (+269) "/* Criticism */ subheads, jsdr urls" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /js;dr (+168) "/* Web Content Examples */ Dropbox file URLs" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /js;dr (+95) "dropbox is a silo more than (its own) content" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Special:Log/upload () "uploaded a new version of "[[File:2017-03-22-hwc-sf.jpg]]"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2017-03-22-homebrew-website-club (+167) "/* Photos */ SF" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2017-04-05-homebrew-website-club (+383) "/* US West */ SF @MatterVC" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /planet (+229) "/* How */ markup?" (view diff)
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sknebel ^^^ how should a planet markup aggregated posts? repiosts, or just reproduce them? (that'S what indienews does, but indienews also just links to them, not copy the content)
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aaronpk repost-of?
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tantek how does IndieNews markup aggregated posts?
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aaronpk looks like h-feed of h-entries
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (-140) "just use the date - easier to update" (view diff)
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aaronpk probably because we weren't really using h-cite when i first made indienews
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aaronpk (indienews is really old!)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /events/2017-04-05-homebrew-website-club (-12) "/* West Europe */ berlin should be as always" (view diff)
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sknebel what is h-cite?
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Loqi h-cite is the microformats2 vocabulary for marking up citations and references on web sites https://indieweb.org/h-cite
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www.svenknebel.de edited /planet (+148) "/* markup */ answer question" (view diff)
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aaronpk what is noindex
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Loqi Noindex is an instruction you put in a robots_txt file to designate a specific URL path on your domain that you do not want robots to index https://indieweb.org/Noindex
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aaronpk that would be more useful with an example
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tantek yep it's a stub
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sknebel does it make more sense to redirect all these to robots_txt (well, they are meta-tags as well, but..) and explain stuff there?
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aaronpk oh i forgot they are also meta tags
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tantek sknebel - since they are jargon terms which have specific definitions it helps to have separate pages that define them in particular
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tantek aaronpk: wait are disallow and allow also meta tags? (didn't think so but?)
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aaronpk noindex is, right?
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tantek I think so
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tantek what is meta robots
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "meta robots" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek seriously impressed with anyone else doing 100daysof projects
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tantek I thought I picked the most modest thing with 100DoPP and it's been tough to deliberately keep up. have already had to post after the fact a couple of times, and a few more after midnight posts at that
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sknebel meta robots is a tag to give instructions to [[robots]] how to handle the current page and links on it.
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loqi.me created /meta_robots (+130) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by sknebel" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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sknebel robots_txt << http://www.robotstxt.org/robotstxt.html
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loqi.me edited /robots_txt (+42) "sknebel added "http://www.robotstxt.org/robotstxt.html" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "http://www.robotstxt.org/robotstxt.html" to the "See Also" section of /robots_txt
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sknebel meta_robots << http://www.robotstxt.org/meta.html
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loqi.me edited /meta_robots (+54) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "http://www.robotstxt.org/meta.html" to the "See Also" section of /meta_robots
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sknebel robots << [[meta robots]]
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loqi.me edited /robots (+18) "sknebel added "[[meta robots]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "[[meta robots]]" to the "See Also" section of /robots
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loqi.me created /paginate (+23) "prompted by miklb and dfn added by KartikPrabhu" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /New_York_Times (+167) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2017-03-24-nyt-article-update.png]]""
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tantek.com edited /New_York_Times (+319) "Update example" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /updated (+383) "NYT update example" (view diff)
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miklb anyone happen to know if you can use a relation other than `AND` or `OR` in a WP meta_query?
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GWG I think you can
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miklb threre is a meta_compare that accepts more arguments, but not seeing anything other than AND or OR
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miklb for the relation that is
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loqi.me edited /New_York_Times (+23) "tantek added "https://nytimes.com/" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /New_York_Times (+30) "tantek added "https://twitter.com/nytimes" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /New_York_Times (+31) "tantek added "https://twitter.com/nyt_diff" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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miklb oh, I might have found what I'm looking for
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GWG I thought I saw it in the function reference
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miklb GWG in the code or codex?
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GWG miklb: The Codex isn't well maintained anymore. Try https://developer.wordpress.org/reference/
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GWG https://developer.wordpress.org/reference/classes/wp_meta_query/__construct/
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GWG According to this, still no
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miklb OK, so I was reading it right
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miklb hmm
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miklb wonders if that has been proposed already
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GWG miklb: What relation do you want?
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miklb everything but two different values for a single key. In this case, anything but likes & reposts. But I'm looking at how everything is stored to make sure I actually want what I want
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GWG You could search for tickets.
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GWG And file one
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miklb I was, but don't want to go down too far that rabbit whole, just going to leave that tab open to remind me
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GWG Okay.
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miklb ah, a reply through bridgy isn't stored as a webmention. Cool
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miklb GWG so only likes and reposts are stored as a webmention comment_type, correct?
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GWG No, everything but replies
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GWG I have been thinking about suggesting a change there.
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miklb oh, so if someone does a bookmark-of of your post, it would backfeed as a bookmark comment_type (as one example if I'm following)
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miklb ah, there it is `remove "webmention" comment-type if $type is "reply"`
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miklb just seems odd for that not to be a type of webmention comment_type. It's not a native WP reply
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miklb but semanticall…
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