#dev 2017-04-09

2017-04-09 UTC
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[eddie] I’m on a Cloud Computer so I had to run some command line tools but it was pretty easy ?
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eddiehinkle.com edited /h-feed (+264) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ +eddiehinkle.com" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /wiki/backup (-4) "/* wget */ indiewebcamp.com -> indieweb.org (required, download fails otherwise)" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /meetup.com (+54) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /LiveJournal (+633) "/* Controlled by Russia */ add gizmodo/io9 post" (view diff)
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sknebel aaronpk: the command to backup the wiki via rsync asks for authentication
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aaronpk orly...it shouldn't do that
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sknebel wget works with the changed domain, but is of course slow as molasses, since an update of course has to check each page for updates, get a 304, wait a second, ... not really an issue for something in a cron job though ;)
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aaronpk oops haha
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Loqi rofl
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aaronpk i put the password in the motd file
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aaronpk try connecting again
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aaronparecki.com edited /wiki/backup (+1) (view diff)
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sknebel aaronpk: works!
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aaronpk \o/
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www.svenknebel.de edited /wiki/backup (+43) "/* Pros */ rsync is fast" (view diff)
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sknebel (I'll update time for wget once it's finished :P)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /wiki/backup (+149) "/* Cons */ wget is slow" (view diff)
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aaronpk wow
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sknebel 2h15min, updating an existing mirror is not noticably faster
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aaronpk i'm sure the wget one is way more intensive for the server too
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sknebel 6500 files, ~1s per file
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sknebel I'll set up a cronjob for the rsync one
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aaronpk cool
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sknebel next question is: "what would I do with said backup if we had to recover from it"... probably set up mediawiki and feed it the text files via the API?
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aaronpk yeah that would work
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aaronpk the text files contain mediawiki source rather than the HTML you see on the web page
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tantek what about history?
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tantek (if recovery is the goal)
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aaronpk at that point i should just provide a mediawiki DB backup
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tantek (different from just showing a mirror, e.g. temporary)
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tantek makes sense
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tantek which should be 100% portable no matter where it would be served from since usernames are domains.
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aaronpk the good news is since everyone logs in via indieauth, there are no passwords to worry about leaking
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tantek and that too
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aaronpk there's nothing secret in the database
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tantek ironically, our wiki uses better "federated identity" than Mastodon / anything Webfinger-based etc. in that regard
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tantek Perhaps that's one of the keys to creating a federated identity system. Don't. Re-use an existing one.
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tantek And anyone attempting to create a *good* new one will basically have to do at least as good as DNS and all the tech & policies involved there.
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tantek aaronpk, that reminds me - how many "users" (logins from unique domains) does IndieWeb.org have now? Any way of telling how many we had as of 2016-12-31?
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aaronpk let's see if i have dates on her
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aaronpk e
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aaronpk cool, looks like i can tell how many new people were added each year
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tantek oh nice!
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tantek what are users?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "users" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek maybe we can keep an easily referenceable summary
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+223) "/* Alternate Content Types */ query functionality exists now" (view diff)
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sknebel ^^^ that document could use a cleanup/filter in general -> would it be ok to create a "resolved" section at the bottom and move subsections there? (aaronpk? that's your "turf" ;))
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aaronpk yeah that sounds like a good idea, go for it
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Micropub-brainstorming () "(-2385) /* Explicit CRUD */ snip…" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+2351) "/* resolved */ paste" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Micropub-brainstorming () "(-828) /* Uploading files in separate requests */ snip…" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+892) "/* resolved */ …paste" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Micropub-brainstorming () "(-4116) /* Syndicating a Post */ snip…" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+4582) "/* resolved */ syndication" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+1014) "/* resolved */ multiple in-reply-to" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Micropub-brainstorming () "(-897) /* form-encoded arrays vs csv fields */ move section to resolved" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+898) "/* resolved */ csv" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Micropub-brainstorming (-376) "/* HTML JSON Form Submission */ mark as resolved, standard did not happen, non-form clients now can use JSON" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+462) "/* resolved */ HTML JSON Form Submission" (view diff)
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sknebel (I apologize for the noise, but this is the safest way to not mess something up)
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aaronpk ?
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aaronpk pretty quiet today anyway
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+54) "/* Syndicating a Post */ linkify standard" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Micropub-brainstorming () "(-2783) /* HTML Escaping */ resolved on protocol level, html can be explicitly marked" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+2915) "/* resolved */ html encoding" (view diff)
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sknebel I think that's everything resolved moved and a bunch of notes about changes in the mean time
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+133) "mention micropub extensions" (view diff)
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aaronpk sknebel++
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Loqi sknebel has 6 karma in this channel (25 overall)
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sknebel aaronpk: you might want to expand that note or the extensions page with some words on formal things -> presumably something like new query features would at the current point not be a change to the micropub spec, but written as an extension document (and if formally published, as a note?)?
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sknebel not sure what the process is/what you want the process to be
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sknebel and it would be great if you could have a look at https://indieweb.org/Micropub-brainstorming#Token_Verification_Endpoint -> I didn't find what you meant with the stub section, and it's not clear from /obtaining-an-access-token either if a token endpoint is supposed to do this or not (only see the authorization endpoint confirming the auth code)
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GWG I need to figure out the properties of a kind.
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GWG This includes the singular and plural name strings, the mf2 property, etc
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GWG I am afraid I missed an etc.
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loqi.me edited /tools (+83) "aaronpk added "generate SSL certs for .dev domains for testing locally https://ssl.indieweb.org" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2017 (+157) (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Events (+418) "/* Separate Events Site */" (view diff)
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[eddie] !tell aaronpk: what's the difference between an itinerary on your site versus a p3k-trip? Is it past versus present? Mode of transport? Something else?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next