#dev 2017-04-10
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aaronparecki.com edited /Upcoming.org (-49) "/* Brainstorming */ upcoming has "follow"" (view diff)
# aaronparecki.com edited /Upcoming.org (+4) "specify .org because upcoming is also open source software and may be running elsewhere" (view diff)
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martymcguire[m] oh shiiiiiiii- microsub!
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ben_thatmustbeme Aaronpk why are you writing it up like a technical spec first. Send to be the opposite of what we usually do
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[eddie] Aaronpk: cool, I think I'm gonna experiment with using a trip baseline. Because as I've been thinking about it, a "past itinerary" doesn't make sense but a "future trip" does. It's kind of like my media checking workflow: interested, in progress, finished. Trips might have a "planned, in progress, finished" status as well. ? ? ?
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gRegorLove Interesting. sandeep.io was down for a while but now it's redirecting to his blogger.
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cweiske.de uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:slack many reactions.png]]""
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# www.svenknebel.de edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+318) "/* Micropub for Comments */ also useful for edits/corrections?" (view diff)
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petermolnar whoa. https://github.com/majestrate/nntpchan/ "nntp based decentralized imageboard"
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# ben_thatmustbeme honestly looks more like astronomy
# ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: i would completely disagree with that statement, that is not how you started micropub https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Micropub&oldid=5288 majority of that page is under brainstorming, search for the word "MUST" on both pages, even just look at the first paragraph, with micropub you brain dumped ideas and it read as people welcome to put in ideas, microsub reads more like a spec that isn't open and
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KartikPrabhu why does astronomy get such a bad rep! ;)
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# ben_thatmustbeme thats the point though, you are still writing a spec, i'm saying don't because others don't have the skill of writing a spec and its going to be really offputting
# KartikPrabhu ben_thatmustbeme: we are of course welcome to add a brainstorming section to the "spec" since it is on the wiki
# ben_thatmustbeme the header section and putting yourself as editor makes it even worse though IMO
# ben_thatmustbeme even current /micropub doesn't do that
# ben_thatmustbeme just wonder if that shouldn't be pushed down and have like, a protocol summary, simple flow, indieweb examples, background, etc, all up front, put the entire spec in a brainstorming section. hell even just starting it as 'login / auth is identical to micropub' and getting all of the stuff out of the way. the idea is to have really simple descriptions now so people can go off and experiment with it, not spec it
# ben_thatmustbeme formally up front
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singpolyma ben_thatmustbeme++
# singpolyma I love specs, but "web devs" seem to find them scary
# aaronparecki.com edited /Microsub (-4) "drop header formatting from GET/POST so TOC is easier to read" (view diff)
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# martymcguire[m] i'm a bit confused about the term "user" with respect to clients (un)muting and (un)blocking
# KartikPrabhu aaronpk: how about using /microsub for informal documentation and putting the spec on a different page
# singpolyma can this wiki do the /microsub/spec thing for page names?
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Loqi The Microsub spec provides a standardized way for clients to consume and interact with feeds collected by a server https://indieweb.org/Microsub
# aaronparecki.com edited /Microsub (+181) "move authorization details to bottom of the page" (view diff)
# aaronparecki.com moved /Microsub to /Microsub-spec
# aaronparecki.com edited /Microsub-spec (-39) "move brainstorming and background to [[Microsub]]" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] hm, I need to make auto_link understand .social TLD now
# [kevinmarks] and probably a few more thanks to the mastodon domains
# ben_thatmustbeme indeed
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eddiehinkle.com edited /User:Eddiehinkle.com (+69) "Update itches order, scratched, etc." (view diff)
# ben_thatmustbeme unless there were a sanely maintained list of TLDs that could easily be parsed
# ben_thatmustbeme can just use this to generate the autolink rules maybe http://data.iana.org/TLD/tlds-alpha-by-domain.txt
# ben_thatmustbeme its okay sknebel, its the journey that counts
# [kevinmarks] Tantek's auto_link has a giant regex, I just copied it.
# martymcguire[m] i don't know why, but i keep being surprised at some of the strange TLDs
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# [eddie] martymcguire[m] just sent you an experimental webmention. lol. I create h-cite listen posts marked up with an experimental “u-listen-to” property. Not sure how that registers in webmention.io, but to test it out I sent one to this week’s This Week in IndieWeb (https://martymcgui.re/2017/04/08/165106/). I’m guessing it’ll end up as a “Mention”, but let me know if you see anything interesting, strange or bad with the webmention
# martymcguire[m] i got the notification about it!
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# [kevinmarks] hm, though in the DF case the url to the article doesn't mean it is a copy of it, but commentary on it, so it's more like a bookmark
# [kevinmarks] what do we think about rel="canonical me"
# martymcguire[m] [kevinmarks]: i found the movie heartwarming, but never saw the sequel. i also think the minions branding has gone way too far.
# martymcguire[m] in seriousness: i think it's an interesting way to indicating moving sites or accounts, but it also raises a lot of questions in my mind.
# [kevinmarks] what is not me?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "not me" yet. Would you like to create it?
# [kevinmarks] what is notme?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "notme" yet. Would you like to create it?
# martymcguire[m] the mastodon case of moving instances that you documented on your site makes sense to me.
# martymcguire[m] but i'd also find it really interesting if my twitter profile linked to my site with rel="canonical me"
# martymcguire[m] to let people know which of the places i publish i consider canonical.
# [kevinmarks] notme is a possible way to explicitly disclaim another website that links with rel=me rather than just not linking back.
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@matt___nelson This is not me. Please do not support whatever this is https://twitter.com/spiderrobotpig/status/849269612885581824 (twitter.com/_/status/849310954517143553)
# ben_thatmustbeme agreed, i doubt there is a "simple" solution. I'm honestly more just concerned about the other side of it, how can i tell that a new identity is the correct one? So i store as many URLs for a person as i can and try to link it back together so i know identities. ideally i should be able to look if the rel-me's are all pointing to a new URL, i change to using that as the primary
# ben_thatmustbeme and then you get the silly people who just post their new number publicly on facebook
# [kevinmarks] hah on the new phone number thing
# ben_thatmustbeme or worse "i got a new phone / phone number, can people post their numbers here for me"
# [kevinmarks] I am paying t-mobile despite moving to the UK so that I can still use Signal o_O
# ben_thatmustbeme [kevinmarks]: you are moving to the UK?
# [kevinmarks] i have moved to the UK
# martymcguire[m] [eddie]: the listen mention that you sent showed up from webmention.io as a blank link:
# [kevinmarks] I tried migrating the t-mobile # to google voice, but it didn't work
# martymcguire[m]
{"source"=>"https://eddiehinkle.com/listen/2017/04/this-week-in-the-indieweb-audio-edition-april-1st-finished/", "verified"=>true, "verified_date"=>"2017-04-10T15:08:09+00:00", "id"=>431678, "private"=>false, "data"=>{"author"=>{"name"=>"Eddie Hinkle", "url"=>"https://eddiehinkle.com/", "photo"=>"https://webmention.io/avatar/eddiehinkle.com/cf9f85e26d4be531bc908d37f69bff1c50b50b87fd066b254f1332c3553df1a8.jpg"},# singpolyma [kevinmarks]: move your number to jmp.chat ;)
# martymcguire[m] "url"=>"https://eddiehinkle.com/listen/2017/04/this-week-in-the-indieweb-audio-edition-april-1st-finished/", "name"=>nil, "content"=>nil, "published"=>"2017-04-09T13:30:54-04:00", "published_ts"=>1491759054}, "activity"=>{"type"=>"link", "sentence"=>"Eddie Hinkle posted '' linking to https://martymcgui.re/2017/04/08/165106/", "sentence_html"=>"<a href="https://eddiehinkle.com/">Eddie Hinkle</a> posted '' linking
# martymcguire[m] to <a href="https://martymcgui.re/2017/04/08/165106/">https://martymcgui.re/2017/04/08/165106/</a>"}, "target"=>"https://martymcgui.re/2017/04/08/165106/"}
# ben_thatmustbeme oh dang, i was hoping to make it out to california for one of the IWCs so i could finally actually meet you
# martymcguire[m] ooh sorry folks, that was a lot more data than i expected.
# [kevinmarks] yes, but it insists on checking you ID by SMS to that SIM, doesn't allow you to type in the code
# ben_thatmustbeme you have to wait for it to time-out on that part
# [kevinmarks] hm
# ben_thatmustbeme as i think i had an issue with that because i use hangouts for texting and it didn't like it
# singpolyma Pretty sure we've tested Signal registrations with jmp.chat numbers
# ben_thatmustbeme after it timed out it asked me to input it
# singpolyma Even on Android my phones never knew what my number was :P
# [kevinmarks] ok, trying agin for the timeout
# [kevinmarks] I don't know what my number is
# [kevinmarks] oh theres a call me option
# ben_thatmustbeme ah okay
# martymcguire[m] example: http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/01/this-week-in-the-indieweb-audio-edition-march-25th-31st-2017/
# Loqi [Chris Aldrich] ? This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition, March 25th – 31st, 2017 http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/d5fb4e498fe609cc29b04e5b7ad688c4?s=42&d=mm&r=pg
# martymcguire[m] my site doesn't understand u-listen, but there is still some content in his markup
# martymcguire[m] incoming giant json paste
# martymcguire[m] sent a long message: martymcguire[m]_2017-04-10_15:42:14.txt - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/rXXyfFVlpBBwRGWfTFvUPfwZ
# martymcguire[m] oh god. i'll move these to pastebin in the future or something. sorry folks.
# ben_thatmustbeme oh cool, this week in indieweb audio edition, hadn't noticed that before, I was hoping to have an indieweb podcast some day
# ben_thatmustbeme martymcguire[m]++
# martymcguire[m] oh wow it sure did. thanks, matrix! i don't know if i should get used to that.
# martymcguire[m] it is indeed p-listen
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# petermolnar had anyone tried this so far? https://caddyserver.com/
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[chrisaldrich] martymcguire[m]: though you're not actually showing "listens" as such?
# eddiehinkle.com edited /scrobble (+95) "/* Eddie Hinkle */ update eddiehinkle.com listen information" (view diff)
# martymcguire[m] [chrisaldrich]: my display handling is a pretty simple mapping of the content from webmention.io, which sends "listen" posts as "link"s.
# martymcguire[m] without fetching the content of the source URL myself, there's no easy way to ID it as a listen.
# martymcguire[m] i will likely need to start fetching my own context data for things wm.io identifies as "link"s
# [eddie] chrisaldrich: When you have a moment and feel like it maybe add your post listen info here? http://indieweb.org/listen
# martymcguire[m] sknebel: ;}
# martymcguire[m] ChrisAldrich: hmm. your commentary on this listen post is buried inside an e-content which also includes a lot of wrapper info: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fboffosocko.com%2F2017%2F04%2F01%2Fthis-week-in-the-indieweb-audio-edition-march-25th-31st-2017%2F
# [chrisaldrich] martymcguire[m] I was just noticing that. Why is WordPress always such a bear. Looks like you're picking up context which should be outside of the piece too. I'm working on some themeing this morning, we'll see if I can tweak it.
# [chrisaldrich] eddie I haven't added the example just yet as I'm still working on it. Ultimately it's also an example of what all WordPress sites that use Post Kinds will show up as too...
# martymcguire[m] [eddie]: i think webmention.io understands updates?
# martymcguire[m] in theory if you update the page and resend the webmention i'll get an update
# martymcguire[m] of course, my site doesn't update wms in realtime, so you'll have to bug me to look at it.
# [chrisaldrich] I think that /listen posts can be useful in showing the popularity of a particular podcast as "social" proof in some sense. And in the near term, they can spur the question, "How does she do that?", and "How can I do that?" which further indieweb in general.
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aaronpk open an issue here with some references https://github.com/aaronpk/XRay/issues
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# [chrisaldrich] GWG, I think modifying it to stay in line with other current mf2 would be worthwhile
# [chrisaldrich] may be worth looking at other types like watch, read, etc. too.
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# [chrisaldrich] eddie u- is for wrapping URLs while p- is for titles &c in general.
# [chrisaldrich] It depends on where the URL shows up within the set up and that could be nested inside other markup which includes a u-url if I'm not mistaken
# [chrisaldrich] I essentially think of likes, reads, watches, listens, favorites as bookmarks of a specific type of content. That may make things easier conceptually.
# [chrisaldrich] Not that I've seen, though martymcguire[m] may do so for listens?? ?
# [chrisaldrich] I could see a use for /read posts for major newspapers, magazines, and online outlets.
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# martymcguire[m] chrisaldrich: I just updated my display of your listens a bit but don't yet consume "listen" or "listen-of", etc.
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gregorlove.com edited /2017/Bellingham (+423) "/* IndieWebCamp Bellingham 2017 */ update text per /2017. Add Accessibility Notice" (view diff)
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# martymcguire[m] [eddie]: the markup on your listen post now has two name properties for the entry, one blank and one with your text
# martymcguire[m] yuppp
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tantek aaronpk /Upcoming#Brainstorming ?
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# aaronparecki.com edited /Upcoming.org (+754) "/* Brainstorming */ using upcoming for our events. initial brainstorming. more notes later." (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Upcoming.org (+187) "/* Feature Requirements */ add a couple more and ..." (view diff)
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# aaronparecki.com edited /Upcoming.org (+752) "/* Using Upcoming for IndieWeb Events */ split into required/good ideas/complete" (view diff)
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# gregorlove.com edited /2017/Bellingham (+6) "/* Schedule */ group photo and lunch day 2" (view diff)
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