#dev 2017-04-24

2017-04-24 UTC
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eddiehinkle.com created /Swift (+643) "Create Swift page stub with definition, projects and libraries section" (view diff)
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eddiehinkle.com created /macOS (+130) "Create macOS definition stub page" (view diff)
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eddiehinkle.com edited /Swift (+249) "+swift-mf2 framework" (view diff)
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eddiehinkle.com edited /Indigenous (+81) "+github link" (view diff)
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jonnybarnes why does micropub create JSON syntax require strings to be wrapped in arrays, but update doesn’t
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jonnybarnes at least according to the examples on micropub.net
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aaronpk the create syntax is just posting a microformats2 object
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aaronpk update is its own syntax
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aaronpk where do you see updates not being arrays tho? the examples are all like `"content": ["hello moon"]`
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jonnybarnes looking at the line `"url": "https://aaronpk.example/post/100",` threw me a little
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aaronpk that's just specifying which post to update
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jonnybarnes indeed within the replace things are wrapped in arrays
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jonnybarnes just querying replace, if https://aaronpk.example/post/100 originally said hello world and a category property of ["foo"]
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jonnybarnes would the example given change hello world to hello moon, but leave the category property as is?
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aaronpk yes exactly
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jonnybarnes excellent
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aaronpk i can clarify that in the spec
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loqi.me created /Starfriends (+255) "prompted by Zegnat and dfn added by Zegnat" (view diff)
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[eddie] Hey aaronpk: Have you written any posts about how your Flat File storage works in p3k? Thinking through my storage in Abode. Do you have any internal storage structure for your flat files? Grouping in folders by years, months, days or types at all? Right now my site just outputs files into a custom folder structure because a lot of my posts used to be manual or semi-manual. As I’m shifting to mostly micropub use and eventually including microp
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[eddie] thinking my flat file storage needs to become a little more intentional.
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aaronpk i've gotta fix the long post slack bridge problem
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[eddie] oh yeah oops.
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[eddie] Hey aaronpk: Have you written any posts about how your Flat File storage works in p3k? Thinking through my storage in Abode. Do you have any internal storage structure for your flat files?
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[eddie] Grouping in folders by years, months, days or types at all? Right now my site just outputs files into a custom folder structure because a lot of my posts used to be manual or semi-manual.
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[eddie] As I’m shifting to mostly micropub use and eventually including micropub updates. So I’m thinking my flat file storage needs to become a little more intentional.
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[eddie] there, smaller posts ?
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:p3k-storage-example.png]]""
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strk now that everyone is avoiding mailing lists, chat rooms are being used like emails... go figure
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[eddie] aaronpk: Very interesting. Thanks!
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aaronpk more coming :)
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aaronpk i've been meaning to write this up
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[eddie] Awesome!! Looking forward to it ?
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aaronparecki.com edited /p3k (+2870) "some details about the storage format" (view diff)
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/p3k#Storage
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aaronpk lmk if you have more questions and i will expand that
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[eddie] aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 46 karma in this channel (1292 overall)
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[eddie] Will do ?
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[eddie] aaronpk: I think the only additional question remaining would be in order to power a feed like: https://aaronparecki.com/checkins or https://aaronparecki.com/notes do you have your posts in a cache db, do you load all of the post.txt files and filter them, or some third unknown option?
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aaronpk ah yeah
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[eddie] strk: It’s not as much about communicating on chat in place of email. It’s about brainstorming in chat and transferring long-term information to wiki/blog posts.
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[eddie] So for example, I didn’t email aaron because it wasn’t about a private conversation as much as requesting information that while useful to me is likely important to other people that will come along as well.
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KartikPrabhu yup that ^
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aaronparecki.com edited /p3k (+944) "/* Storage */ indexing + caching" (view diff)
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aaronpk [eddie]: https://indieweb.org/p3k#Indexing_and_Caching
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[eddie] Sweet!
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk++ for documenting that cache strategy
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Loqi aaronpk has 47 karma in this channel (1293 overall)
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KartikPrabhu what is database-as-cahe
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "database-as-cahe" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KartikPrabhu what is database-as-cache
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "database-as-cache" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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KartikPrabhu what is database
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Loqi A database is software and or storage accessed via the software for storing data in a structured way, used by some indieweb projects https://indieweb.org/database
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martymcguire[m] has retrained his brain and now reads "database-as-cache" as "database activitystreams cache"
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aaronpk haha
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aaronpk oh no
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Loqi nice
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KartikPrabhu database-as-cache is /database-cache
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /database-as-cache (+27) "prompted by KartikPrabhu and dfn added by KartikPrabhu" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+295) "/* HWC Clean-up and close */ add wrap-up section for photos and posts w/ notes from meetings" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (-1) "/* Structure */ HWC Immediately after" (view diff)
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strk [eddie]: I was talking about mailing lists, not private communications, so that aspect would remain
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aaronpk http://microformats.org/wiki/wiki-better-than-email
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Loqi Wiki is better than email
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loqi.me created /follower-only_message (+66) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /follower-only_message (-40) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /private_posts (+375) "Sharing only with approved followers, variants, names, description" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /follower-only_message (+38) "more specific redirect" (view diff)
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tantek what is a privacy scope?
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Loqi tantek: miklb left you a message 1 week ago: aaronpk pointed me today to https://indieweb.org/reply-context#Markup, not sure best way to link to that from the /reply markup you added
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "privacy scope" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is an access control list
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/access_control_list
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tantek.com edited /access_control_list (+246) "expand dfn here instead of abbr, see also" (view diff)
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tantek what is an ACL
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Loqi access control list (often abbreviated ACL) in the indieweb context refers typically to a list of people who are allowed to view (and perhaps even edit) particular posts or perhaps an entire site https://indieweb.org/ACL
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tantek privacy scope is [[access control list]]
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loqi.me created /privacy_scope (+32) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /friends_only (+63) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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strk.kbt.io edited /Gitea (+112) "add note about OpenID support in Gitea" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Pocket (+23) "link dfn" (view diff)
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strk.kbt.io edited /How_to_set_up_OpenID_on_your_own_domain (+19) "/* Installing on your own server */ Add SimpleID, drop non-existent phpMyID" (view diff)
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strk.kbt.io edited /How_to_set_up_OpenID_on_your_own_domain (+195) "/* Installing on your own server */ Add GNUSocial and Wordpress as other OpenID provider options" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Hey, strk got signed in. Cool.
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gRegorLove strk++
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Loqi strk has 1 karma
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gRegorLove Hah. Opening of https://indieweb.org/How_to_set_up_OpenID_on_your_own_domain can use some updates.
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gRegorLove "You must be this independent in order to contribute:" contribute to what?
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aaronpk heh, that made more sense in 2011
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gRegorLove Oh yeah, guess it hasn't been touched in 4 years
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tantek probably worth capturing somewhere as community cultural history
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tantek since we did start out making a strong point of that to help filter for productive vs. unproductive discussion that way
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gRegorLove What was myOpenId?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "myOpenId" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek while we built the community from scratch
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gRegorLove what was myOpenID
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "myOpenID" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove myOpenID was an OpenID service that shutdown 2014-02-01 http://myopenid.com
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loqi.me created /myOpenID (+103) "prompted by gRegorLove and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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gregorlove.com edited /myOpenID (+108) "link dfn, see also" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+14) "/* myOpenID */ wiki link" (view diff)
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strk.kbt.io created /GNUSocial (+23) "redirect" (view diff)
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tantek do we need multiple capitalizations of redirects like that? or can we collapse them to the single canonical capitalization?
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tantek (that is redirects that differ only in spaces or punctuation)
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aaronpk i'd say only create the redirect if the particular capitalization exists in normal writing of the name
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gRegorLove Yeah, looks like they added it to that How to page above
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gRegorLove Wikipedia has "GNU social" as the canonical
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gRegorLove And hey, so do we
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gregorlove.com edited /ActivityStreams (+0) "direct link to /GNU social" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Mastodon (+0) "direct link to /GNU social" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /postActiv (+2) "link dfn, direct link to /GNU social" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /public_timeline (+1) "/* GnuSocial */ direct link to /GNU social" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /How_to_set_up_OpenID_on_your_own_domain (+1) "direct link to /GNU social" (view diff)
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gRegorLove That fixes all the pages linking to the different capitalizations
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www.boffosocko.com edited /academic_samizdat (+725) "mention of open access and unpaywall browser extension" (view diff)
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strk.kbt.io edited /How_to_set_up_OpenID_on_your_own_domain (+628) "Add delegating your domain to stackexchange section" (view diff)
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strk.kbt.io edited /How_to_set_up_OpenID_on_your_own_domain (+49) "reorganize sections" (view diff)
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strk.kbt.io edited /How_to_set_up_OpenID_on_your_own_domain (+329) "Add delegation instructions for openid.org.cn" (view diff)
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strk.kbt.io edited /How_to_set_up_OpenID_on_your_own_domain () "(-1663) Remove /* Delegating your domain to myOpenID */ section (service is not available anymore)" (view diff)
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strk.kbt.io edited /How_to_set_up_OpenID_on_your_own_domain () "(-1072) Remove /* Delegating your domain to Vidoop */ section (service not available anymore)" (view diff)
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strk.kbt.io edited /How_to_set_up_OpenID_on_your_own_domain (+139) "/* Install authenticator on your own server */ reorganize sections" (view diff)
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jonnybarnes pinging aaronpk, what does “Note that Swarm permalinks are only visible to the user who created the checkin.” mean on ownyourswarm?
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gregorlove.com edited /How_to_set_up_OpenID_on_your_own_domain (+1) "/* GNUSocial */ capitalization" (view diff)
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strk.kbt.io edited /How_to_set_up_OpenID_on_your_own_domain (-12) "/* Install authenticator on your own server */" (view diff)
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aaronpk that's exactly what it means
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jonnybarnes are they the www.swarmapp.com links? that I can click on from your website?
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aaronpk yes
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aaronpk you can't see https://www.swarmapp.com/aaronpk/checkin/58fe40856f0aa244282a341b right?
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jonnybarnes well, yes I can
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aaronpk oh, huh
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aaronpk are we friends on swarm?
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[chrisaldrich] aaronpk: I can see it, perhaps because we're friends on Swarm
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aaronpk i will update that text then
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martymcguire[m] aaronpk: i was presented with a login wall and once logged in got a 404.
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jonnybarnes yeah, we’re friends
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aaronpk okay i will just note that they are not publicly visible then
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martymcguire[m] i had not realized until now that swarm had migrated all foursquare accounts over.
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gregorlove.com edited /How_to_set_up_OpenID_on_your_own_domain (+55) "/* Delegate to external authenticator */ Delegating to indieauth.com" (view diff)
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aaronpk it isn't really a migration
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aaronpk they are the same account
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martymcguire[m] yeah, i guess they just renamed the service
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martymcguire[m] my last checkin: august 19, 2012 :D
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk yeah they split out checkins a long time ago
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strk.kbt.io edited /How_to_set_up_OpenID_on_your_own_domain (+41) "/* Wordpress */ add link to wordpress plugin" (view diff)
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gRegorLove It's interesting how they split and lost all the fun functionality of 4sq like mayorships, then slowly added them back
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aaronpk lol yeah
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gRegorLove I've definitely used it more now that those are back
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strk.kbt.io edited /OpenID (+148) "/* Consuming Sites */ verified openstreetmap, add OpenID versions supported" (view diff)
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strk.kbt.io edited /OpenID (+123) "/* Consuming Sites */ add try.gitea.io" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2017-04-19-homebrew-website-club (+270) "/* Blog posts */ +Notes from the Homebrew Website Club #6 in Berlin" (view diff)
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strk.kbt.io created /User:Strk.kbt.io (+22) "Created page with "See http://strk.kbt.io"" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /libravatar (+41) "tantek added "https://wiki.libravatar.org/libraries/" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /representative_h-card (+152) "add php library" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /How_to_set_up_OpenID_on_your_own_domain (+33) "more obvious links to main OpenID page" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /How_to_set_up_OpenID_on_your_own_domain (+282) "move old introduction to = History =" (view diff)
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gRegorLove tantek: ^ took a shot at updating the intro / capturing the history
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tantek.com edited /representative_h-card (+317) "a few more details for How to Publish and How to Discover" (view diff)
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strk.kbt.io edited /IRC_People (+44) "/* Nicknames */ add myself" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /2017 (+20) "tantek added "[[2017/Schedule]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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strk.kbt.io edited /IRC_People (+3) "/* Nicknames */ add icon (but doesn't work)" (view diff)
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tantek pretty sure that's an FAQ ;)
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martymcgui.re edited /IRC_People (+3) "/* Nicknames */ trying my full IRC name once more" (view diff)
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kartikprabhu.com edited /IRC_People (+67) "/* Nicknames */ add strk's avatar link and alphabetise" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /2017/Leaders (+3752) "stub with 2016 basic outline, info / details from 2017/Schedule" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2017/Schedule () "(-1550) /* Leaders Summit */ move primary content to 2017/Leaders, leave summary behind" (view diff)
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gRegorLove It does take ~5 minutes to update on chat.indieweb.org
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aaronpk ooh the chat logs should subscribe to the irc-people page via websub
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gregorlove.com edited /2017/Leaders (+0) "generic venue; Vadio doesn't exist" (view diff)
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tantek oops I left someting
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gregorlove.com edited /2017/Leaders (+0) "/* What */ fix 2016 Leaders link" (view diff)
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sknebel the wiki has websub?!
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aaronpk no but it could!
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aaronpk https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PubSubHubbub
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tantek that would be amazing
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gregorlove.com edited /2016/Leaders (+100) "/* Task List */ note completed slack bridge with aaronpk's post" (view diff)
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tantek gRegorLove++ for taskmastering :)
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Loqi gregorlove has 19 karma in this channel (119 overall)
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gRegorLove "Hide RTs for recently-tweeted tweets" from 2016/Leaders was in the main channel, right? Think we did that?
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aaronpk i think we did
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gregorlove.com edited /2016/Leaders (+74) "/* Task List */ completed tasks, unknown dates. please fill in if you know!" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /WebID (+16) "tantek added "[[IndieAuth]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /WebID (+81) "no known IndieWeb usage" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2017/Leaders (+328) "/* What */ remaining/ongoing tasks from 2016" (view diff)
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gRegorLove what is webid?
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Loqi WebID is an authentication mechanism based on browser SSL certificates; no known IndieWeb usage, see IndieAuth and OpenID instead https://indieweb.org/WebID
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gRegorLove I was thinking that was the Persona protocol thing; guess that's BrowserID though.
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tantek yeah
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tantek what is BrowserID
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Loqi BrowserID is a protocol for authenticating users based on email address https://indieweb.org/BrowserID
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tantek what is Persona
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Loqi Persona was an email-based authentication service from Mozilla that was supported by IndieAuth for rel-me links to email addresses; it was shut down November 30, 2016 https://indieweb.org/Persona
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tantek oops
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tantek those two could be collapsed
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tantek.com edited /2017/Leaders (+32) "add RSVPs from 2017/Schedule" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2017/Schedule (-111) "link/move leaders bits to separate page" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Persona (+44) "expand BrowserID sentence" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /BrowserID (-156) "r" (view diff)
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gRegorLove what is browserid
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Loqi Persona was an email-based authentication service from Mozilla that was supported by IndieAuth for rel-me links to email addresses; it was shut down November 30, 2016 https://indieweb.org/BrowserID
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gregorlove.com edited /IRC_People (+8) "explicit param numbers for strk {{irc user}}" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /IRC_People (+16) "fix imgs for raucao, sknebel" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2017/Leaders (+1930) "Discussion Channels - specifically indieweb-wordpress, sorted RSVPs" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:irc_user (+122) "/* Notes */ note need for numbered prefixes when query string in URL" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Squarespace (+61) "squarespace no longer uses #! URLs and recommends removing the # when sharing a URL https://support.squarespace.com/hc/en-us/articles/205814818#directurl" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /WordPress/Development (+344) "examples of themes in wild/development; Instagram Importer supports location; removed duplications in see-also" (view diff)
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gRegorLove What is shebang?
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Loqi A shebang (or hashbang) is the character sequence #! https://indieweb.org/shebang
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loqi.me edited /private_posts (+256) "tantek added "https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/712 - [[Mastodon]] issue regarding the challenge of a UI (and protocols!) for actually federating private posts (likely because no one has actually made it work, despite a few historical iter" (view diff)
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