#dev 2017-05-11

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gRegorLove woo, venue!
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tantek myfreeweb++ wow nice work!
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mblaney aaronpk I'm trying out websub.rocks with my site.
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mblaney what response is it looking for when subscribing to updates? I get:
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mblaney Subscription Failed! The hub did not acknowledge the subscription request. The response code was 200.
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mblaney It also says: Response from the hub: Registration successful.
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aaronpk mblaney: i went a little light on the inline docs on websub.rocks unfortunately, cause i was working against a deadline
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aaronpk you might need to check the spec for that
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aaronpk which test number is this?
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gRegorLove Oh wow, looks like there's going to be double aaronpk at IWS (based on the indie RSVPs)
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aaronpk hey wait what!!
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gRegorLove Facebook RSVP via bridgy
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aaronpk the facebook RSVPs are showing up!
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aaronpk welp
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gRegorLove Haha
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Loqi nice
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schmarty brid.gy'd!
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mblaney aaronpk that is from the only test on https://websub.rocks/publisher
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aaronpk ah that one
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mblaney from the spec, 5.1.2 Subscription Response Details says that a hub must respond with 202
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mblaney I don't think I've seen that before in PuSH documentation, is there a reason 200 wouldn't be OK?
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mblaney (....that was sort of a pun.)
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martymcgui.re edited /events/2017-05-10-homebrew-website-club (+97) "/* Blog posts */ add baltimore wrap-up" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /events/2017-05-10-homebrew-website-club (+143) "/* Photos */ baltimore HWC photo" (view diff)
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tantek schmarty++
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mblaney also aaronpk, on https://websub.rocks/subscriber/102 the continue button is directing me to the raw atom feed (using firefox)
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aaronpk oh no, does firefox not support xslt?
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aaronpk i have a fancy xslt thing to turn the atom feed into a web page
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tantek pretty sure it still does
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tantek make sure all your mime types are setup right, I think it's pretty draconian about all that (as XML folks prefer ;) )
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aaronpk hm, i wasn't sure what the specific mime type was, but this one works in chrome
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tantek lol
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tantek mishears that as 2000s era "but this one works in IE"
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mblaney yeah I'm pretty sure firefox does, will see if I can trigger it.
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aaronpk lol
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tantek.com edited /2017 (+3) "https URLs" (view diff)
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gRegorLove what is annotation
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Loqi Annotations are comments (including marginalia), highlights or any other interactions that add to (part of) a post, typically added by individuals other than the author https://indieweb.org/annotation
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gregorlove.com edited /annotation (+204) "/* Annotation Sites Enable Abuse */ +2017-04-26 Audrey Watters: Un-Annotated" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /annotation (+399) "/* Annotation Sites Enable Abuse */ citation template, archive links" (view diff)
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tantek wow that article
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tantek http://hackeducation.com/2017/04/26/no-annotations-thanks-bye
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KartikPrabhu yup, pretty much spot on
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gRegorLove Hits a lot of indieweb points in a short piece.
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gRegorLove So I'm thinking about how to be intentional about inviting more diverse people to IWS.
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tantek great
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gRegorLove Mentioned in main channel, but might have got lost amidst HWC notes "Anyone here have a connection with Lindsay Goldner in Portland? I was going to invite her to IWS on Twitter, but figured I'd ask if someone actually already knew her so ti wasn't from a relative stranger."
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gRegorLove I follow her, but she doesn't follow me, so I feel a bit odd about just being like "hey..."
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tantek fair
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gRegorLove I'm excited to see the 10 people that show up as indie RSVPs at the top of 2017.indieweb.org, but wish there was more diversity there too :) Anyway, I don't have a lot of specific ideas, just thinking out loud, if anyone wants to chime in.
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gRegorLove I guess reaching out to those who were there last year is a good starting point, since there's a connection.
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gRegorLove looks at 2016 RSVPs
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tantek gRegorLove: there are two things I have seen help diversity in attendance at HWC / IWC events. 1 directly contacing people you know who would be interested and inviting them 1:1 and making it clear they would "belong" (as opposed to feeling like an outsider), and 2 sad to say, paying for FB to promote the POSSE copy of the event (benwerd can speak to this)
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tantek variant 1.1 have a non-white-male co-organizer who can do 1.
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tantek andi was a big help with that at IWC SF 2015 - she basically helped make that happen
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gRegorLove Makes sense
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tantek \o/ [anomalily]
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gRegorLove Making progress on photo posting via Micropub! https://gregorlove.com/2017/05/nice-parking-job-person-i/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] https://gregorlove.com/site/assets/files/4337/php9njgwi.750x0-is.jpg Nice parking job, person. I had to crawl over from the passenger side. The parking lot was half empty, too, so they had plenty of options.
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gRegorLove Need to automate some image resizing on my server and the HTML it generates, but photo upload works smoothly.
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tantek aaronpk, gRegorLove, schmarty, salt ^^^
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tantek https://indieweb.org/2017/Leaders#When
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mblaney firstly:
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mblaney aaronpk++ for websub.rocks, I've found and fixed some problems in dobrado.
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mblaney I've passed all the publisher and subscriber tests now (except for signatures, which I haven't implemented.)
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mblaney now I'm up to test: hub 100, which doesn't like the notification of new posts that it gets from my hub.
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mblaney from reading https://www.w3.org/TR/websub, it looks like it expects notifications to be fat pings? am I missing something in the spec?
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Loqi [Julien Genestoux] WebSub
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mblaney I thought an empty post body was acceptable as a notification.
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gRegorLove Haha, I was going to say I'm ok with either time for /2017/Leaders, and that seems to be the consensus so far
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Loqi hahaha
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aaronpk mblaney: that is correct, subscribers expect fat pings. Also it's fine if you don't support signatures as a subscriber, that's your call
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aaronpk hubs must support signatures, which leaves subscribers to choose whether to use them
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mblaney signatures only seem to be necessary for http though yes?
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aaronpk Yeah
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aaronpk well
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aaronpk if you use https but don't use capability URLs then they are also useful
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mblaney also having subscribers require fat pings in the spec seems like a big move away from traditional PuSH?
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aaronpk well it's more that it requires hubs to send fat pings
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aaronpk as a subscriber you can ignore the payload and fetch the topic URL still
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mblaney my concern is that these two additions aren't backwards compatible with existing implementations, and I'm guessing there are a lot of PuSH implementations out there.
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aaronpk Well there aren't that many existing hubs. There are many more subscribers and publishers,
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aaronpk this is also a challenge when writing the test suite.
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mblaney I might implement them if I saw a reason for it... is there a rationale written up somewhere? or just what's in the spec?
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aaronpk are you writing a hub?
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gRegorLove If anyone wants to OwnYourNetflixWatchList, I wrote some javascript to extract links and titles: https://gregorlove.com/2017/05/i-was-thinking-it-would/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] I was thinking it would be nice to keep different lists in Netflix rather than one ever-growing list. I might be able to achieve that with different viewer profiles, but I figured I would experiment keeping lists on my own site instead. I wrote up so...
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aaronpk If you're writing a subscriber then you can ignore the signature and the fat ping if you want
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aaronpk requiring that hubs send the signature and fat ping means that subscribers have that luxury
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mblaney I wrote a hub, around the middle of last year I think.
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aaronpk If there is anything about the requirements of a hub that you aren't clear on, please open an issue titled "why should a hub ______?" and we'll add some text to the spec clarifying it
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aaronpk it turns out it was a surprisingly smalll amount of code to add to switchboard to make it always send fat pings with a signature, so I don't feel like it's a huge burden on hubs to do that
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mblaney yeah it's not the work required but the idea behind it that I'm thinking about.
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mblaney if you want to parse a feed at the moment, you can just fetch it.
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mblaney as a subscriber (implementing websub) instead of just fetching the feed I need to think about fat pings from a hub.
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mblaney so it does put a burden on subscribers to participate.
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mblaney and if all subscribers decide to continue fetching feeds, what the point of me (as a hub) pushing it to them?
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@Inkwater_Masha 15 Things You Probably Didn’t Know About Publishing a Book http://observer.com/2017/05/15-things-you-probably-didnt-know-about-publishing-a-book/?platform=hootsuite #author #writerslife #indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/862662427942559744)
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gRegorLove what is pin
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Loqi pin or pinning is a feature that allows the author to choose a post to put at the top of their profile (or homepage) which is then called a pinned or sticky post https://indieweb.org/Pin
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KartikPrabhu Loqi: messages?
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