#dev 2017-05-10

2017-05-10 UTC
#
tantek Web Sign-in as a user-friendly replacement for RelMeAuth ;)
#
[kevinmarks] mywebis.me
#
tantek can't tell if kevinmarks is being serious or trolling domain-squatters who watch our logs ;)
KevinMarks joined the channel
#
[kevinmarks] I'm trying to think around this a bit more.
#
schmarty mywebismypassportverify.me
#
GWG schmarty: I love that movie.
#
schmarty it is one of my favorites
#
GWG schmarty: What would you do with that domain?
#
tantek schmarty I almost said that lol
#
tantek or rather mywebsiteismypassportverifyme
#
[kevinmarks] multipass!
#
tantek kevinmarks, yeah got it
#
schmarty I was just adding to the less realistic side of the pile of potential new names for IndieAuth.com
#
schmarty Haha multipass
#
Loqi hehe
#
tantek kevinmarks, schmarty: multipass.me :D
#
tantek oh I should remove Twitter DM until that locked situ is sorted
KevinMarks joined the channel
#
[kevinmarks] what was the id bundle thing in HHGG called?
#
Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "id bundle thing in HHGG called" yet. Would you like to create it?
#
[kevinmarks] Ident-i-Eeze
#
[kevinmarks] https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/92738/what-is-the-name-of-the-id-card-in-mostly-harmless
#
[kevinmarks] identieeze.com is available
#
[kevinmarks] "There were so many different ways in which you were required to provide absolute proof of your identity these days that life could easily become extremely tiresome just from that factor alone, never mind the deeper existential problems of trying to function as a coherent consciousness in an epistemologically ambiguous physical universe. "
KevinMarks joined the channel
#
gRegorLove multipass++
#
Loqi multipass has 1 karma
#
gRegorLove Maybe we should have a movie night around IWC. Hackers, Sneakers, Fifth Element
#
tantek gRegorLove: that's kind of an excellent idea
#
tantek we'll have to see if the venue we end up getting could accomodate that, either before day 2, or perhaps after day 1 dinner
#
gRegorLove Aside: The Valerian movie looks pretty promising from the trailers (same director as Fifth Element)
#
tantek goes to the aside channel
#
tantek.com edited /Twitter (+1150) "sort issues (likely resolvable) vs criticisms (likely not resolvable), note issue new accounts locked" (view diff)
#
@wbellauthor RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.thejugglingauthor.com/indieauth/ Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 21 (twitter.com/_/status/861774488278532097)
#
tantek.com edited /Twitter (+647) "How to grouping section, How to unlock your account" (view diff)
#
tantek.com edited /Twitter (+296) "/* How to unlock your account */ note URL you get redirected to and blockquote of message" (view diff)
#
tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2017-05-09-twitter-account-locked-nojs.png]]""
#
tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2017-05-09-twitter-account-locked.png]]""
#
tantek.com edited /Twitter (+125) "/* How to unlock your account */ that, jsdr screenshot (why does a "Start" button need javascript wtf)" (view diff)
#
tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2017-05-09-twitter-add-a-phone-number.png]]""
#
tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2017-05-09-twitter-options-help.png]]""
#
tantek.com edited /Twitter (+657) "/* How to unlock your account */ more screenshot flow" (view diff)
#
tantek.com edited /Twitter (+606) "/* How to unlock your account */ contact support team here as way to find the support form, move to a details section below" (view diff)
#
aaronpk Is there a microformats for a redirect?
#
aaronpk My actual thought was how would I create a URL that's a redirect via Micropub
#
schmarty sounds like a micropub extension to me
#
schmarty mp-redirect-to
#
schmarty i'm tired tho', what do i know?
#
schmarty good night and good luck, all. :}
#
Loqi laila tov!
#
tantek aaronpk: uh you mean like a mediawiki redirect? or http? or?
#
aaronpk Http redirect
#
tantek ah! another use-case for metaformats!
#
gregorlove.com edited /LinkedIn (+29) "/* See Also */ http://opt.outof.link/edin" (view diff)
#
KartikPrabhu what is metaformats?
#
Loqi metaformats are an April Fools joke describing how to both publish using microformats class names and openly parse meta tags as a fallback for what should be in-the-body visible data, including backcompat with OGP, Twitter Cards, and meta author, description, and anything else real sites (like search engines) appear to consume https://indieweb.org/metaformats
[colinwalker] joined the channel
#
gregorlove.com edited /nofollow (+245) "+IndieWeb Examples" (view diff)
#
tantek KartikPrabhu: more importantly, since the parsing rules for metaformats are yet to be defined, it's entirely possible to define a way to parse arbitrary meta tags into mf2 JSON as additional properties, keys, collections etc.
#
tantek meta http-equiv redirect etc.
#
tantek thus solving aaronpk's "microformats for a redirect?" question/use-case
#
tantek (just to connect the dots as to why "another use-case for metaformats")
#
loqi.me edited /notification (+74) "tantek added "http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/0a0cb73c-a87a-4c23-8b1d-f145ab76e58b" to "See Also"" (view diff)
loicm, cweiske, arush, KevinMarks, [kevinmarks], tantek, j4y_funabashi and barpthewire joined the channel
#
seblog.nl edited /events/2017-05-17-homebrew-website-club (+13) "/* Nuremberg */ RSVP myself" (view diff)
pfefferle and [eddie] joined the channel
#
[eddie] …Oops looks like there’s a bug with the heart emoji on my site…
#
[eddie] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F5AMJTSJC/screenshot_2017-05-10_08.32.19.png?pub_secret=365e7a409e&name=Screenshot 2017-05-10 08.32.19.png
#
[eddie] It’s supposed to be the single red heart emoji from Facebook
#
GWG Eddie, I have been thinking about your design of displaying responses using emoji
#
[eddie] Oh yeah? What are your thoughts? (I’d love any critiques or feedback)
#
GWG I use svg icons. I am wondering if emoji might be a better display method. More universal
#
schmarty [eddie]: haha, looks like the render is displaying all emoji with heart in the name
#
Loqi nice
#
[eddie] ohhh GWG: That makes sense. My initial thought was using SVG, but the more I thought about it emoji have really become ubiquitous, at least in the circles I run in. That’s what pushed me in that direction
#
GWG I am not an emoji user, so I didn't consider it, but I like the advantages of it
#
GWG I have a hard time finding icons. There is an ever growing pool of emoji
#
[eddie] schmarty: Yep, definitely. The identifier is “heart”. I thought I was using the method that would just choose the unique name, but I guess I did not. So now I’m gonna have to figure out how to get it to line up more properly. Because basically what I’m doing is putting the emoji I’m sent into a parser, getting it’s short name and then adding both the short name and the emoji itself into the webmention file. Then when I’m parsing th
#
[eddie] short name, which I thought was unique but I’ll have to check my code again
#
[eddie] GWG: That is very true, the emoji never end! Even in 2016 or early 2017 they just added more emoji definitions that we should see roll out in Android/iOS/etc this Summer/Fall
j4y_funabashi joined the channel
#
GWG The software I use doesn't support reacji as a Webmention response, would have to address that first though
[jeremycherfas] joined the channel
#
[eddie] Ohh yeah, definitely. The hardest part is the emoji parser. If you’re in PHP world, you have the benefit of aaronpk’s Open Source Emoji parser, so that’s a bonus
#
[eddie] emoji++
#
Loqi emoji has 1 karma
#
[eddie] aaronpk++ for emoji library in PHP
#
Loqi aaronpk has 51 karma in this channel (1311 overall)
#
schmarty I'm using twemoji for ruby in my emoji handling. right now i only support it for recognizing FB reactions in incoming webmentions, but it works by recognizing any mention post where the content is a single emoji
#
schmarty i don't yet support outgoing reacji as a special display case, but i look forward to doing so someday.
#
GWG What do you do when you recognize them?
#
GWG Or what will you?
KevinMarks joined the channel
#
schmarty GWG: on incoming webmentions, i display them as a facepile with the emoji over the face. e.g.: https://martymcgui.re/2017/04/05/162509/
#
Loqi [Marty McGuire] Site updates: showing emoji reactions
#
schmarty i haven't thought much about how i would display my outgoing reacji. part of why i haven't started that project, heh.
#
schmarty i need to pick something to work on at HWC Baltimore tonight. we're pulling a Portland and meeting on an "off-wednesday".
[colinwalker] joined the channel
#
aaronpk Thank ben_thatmustbeme for that! He wrote the hard part of that library
#
ben_thatmustbeme yeah, that bit of recognizing a "single" emoji is tricky
#
ben_thatmustbeme checks /reacji and /emoji
#
ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk, i don't see your library linked on either of those
#
aaronpk Oops
#
ben_thatmustbeme ugh, looks like my reacji displays broke somewhere along the line
#
ben_thatmustbeme :/
#
ben_thatmustbeme oh wait, no, maybe not
#
ben_thatmustbeme new computer
#
ben_thatmustbeme https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/12/8/2/
#
Loqi emoji? ?
#
ben_thatmustbeme does that look okay to others?
#
aaronpk I only see the heart
#
ben_thatmustbeme darn
#
ben_thatmustbeme between rewrites / adjustments to the DB structure and my hosting provider needing to replace my server, something broke somewhere
leg joined the channel
#
schmarty encoding issue?
singpolyma, [drkokandy], thirtythree and thirtythree_ joined the channel
#
thirtythree_ Good morning, y'all. I hopped on the normal chat a couple weeks ago to get some basic resources for indieweb. I have a small social network: pnut.io. So far, it's pretty clear how to use microformats in my context.
#
thirtythree_ pnut.io has permalinks for posts and user profiles, so I can expose microformats on those pages. The other thing that's been pointed out is webmention... Which I'm still considering. Looks like it would be a lot of work for the server to be interoperating that way. Are there other indieweb-friendly things I should have my eyes on for a social network?
#
aaronpk sending webmentions is much easier than receiving them, so you could start there
#
thirtythree_ @aaronpk That's a good point.
#
aaronpk what is indieweb friendly?
#
Loqi IndieWeb friendly refers to online services interoperating well with the indieweb by supporting open indieweb formats, protocols, as well as enabling users to transition to their own indieweb sites https://indieweb.org/indieweb_friendly
#
aaronpk some more info there ^^
#
dougbeal.com edited /Indigenous (+15) "/* IndieWeb Interest */" (view diff)
loicm, [colinwalker], [cleverdevil] and [eddie] joined the channel
#
[eddie] Has anyone run into the issue of Facebook profile photos that are somehow landscape or portrait? (Even those Facebook displays them as Square?) When bridgey sends a webmention back to my site the photos I’m receiving are then landscape or portrait. Anyone run into this and have a good way of making them square?
#
aaronpk yeah i've noticed that
#
aaronpk right now i just display them at whatever shape they are but it's not ideal
#
aaronpk you could try this: https://aaronparecki.com/2016/08/13/4/css-thumbnails
#
Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Centered and Cropped Thumbnails with CSS https://aaronparecki.com/2016/08/13/4/cropped-thumbnails.jpg
tantek joined the channel
#
[eddie] Oh sweet, I’ll check that out. I would just leave them, but I actually rounded the corners to be circle, so the landscape/portrait or gruesome
#
[eddie] s/or/are
#
aaronpk ooh yeah
#
aaronpk i use just barely rounded corners so it only affects the layout a little sometimes
#
[eddie] ahh, that makes sense
tantek, gRegorLove and KartikPrabhu joined the channel
#
[eddie] aaronpk: Thanks! That article was super helpful. I was actually almost there based on some of the existing structure and css ?
#
aaronpk nice!
#
aaronpk it took me quite a while to compile that so i'm glad it was useful
KartikPrabhu, j4y_funabashi and KevinMarks joined the channel
#
gregorlove.com edited /Firefox_Hello (+116) "past tense, note discontinued version number" (view diff)
#
gRegorLove what was firefox hello
#
Loqi Firefox Hello was a free browser-to-browser audio+video chat service implemented in Firefox using WebRTC https://indieweb.org/Firefox_Hello
#
tantek gives Loqi a drink to pour out
#
Loqi hearts the drink to pour out
#
gRegorLove I was just thinking of trying it out, but alas.
#
martymcgui.re edited /User:Martymcgui.re (+141) "/* My IndieWeb Setup */ update syndication link process w/ micropublish" (view diff)
#
tantek.com created /Template:alert (+161) "alerts for more urgent things to do to improve a page" (view diff)
#
tantek.com created /Template:alert/doc (+652) "docs" (view diff)
#
tantek.com edited /Micropub/Clients (+333) "dfn, need screenshots" (view diff)
dougbeal|imac, arush and [barryf] joined the channel
#
[barryf] Hey aaronpk I've started getting PHP SSL errors using IndieAuth with my site: https://pastebin.com/PTHXphWm
#
Loqi [barryf]: aaronpk left you a message on 2017-03-09 at 10:22pm UTC: when you get a chance, would you try out the new micropub.rocks client tests and verify the implementation report you submitted?
#
[barryf] Yes. Thanks Loqi!
KartikPrabhu and tantek joined the channel
#
tantek aaronpk, gRegorLove, schmarty, salt - as the HWC/IWC organizers that have RSVP'd here: https://indieweb.org/2017/Leaders#RSVP andy objections to locking down the morning of 2017-06-23 for IW leaders summit? E.g. 9-12 then lunch.
#
tantek s/andy objections/any objections
#
gRegorLove Sounds good to me.
#
tantek realizes proposed TBD schedule for LS is 4.5 hrs at venue
#
gRegorLove No objections to Andy coming, either. ;)
#
tantek lol yeah that's an interesting thought, we could get 1-2 "guest" community "experts" to basically give us outside perspective input / feedback / suggestions
#
tantek any preferences on starting earlier (8:30) or going later (13:30?)
#
schmarty 9-12 then lunch sounds good to me.
#
tantek schmarty I misspoke with the length of time
#
schmarty starting before 9am sounds really early to me but i will also biologically be on east coast time. going later sounds fine.
#
schmarty i have no specific plans in portland beyond IWS!
#
tantek last year we did scheduled 4.5 hours of discussions and we barely fit everything in
#
tantek though it was after lunch so maybe subject to post-food time-dilation effects?
#
schmarty ah, ok. i think i am open to starting as early as 8am. i will likely need to pack snacks and caffeine if we are going 4+ hours. :}
#
tantek it looks like last year we roughly stuck to ~4hrs https://indieweb.org/irc/2016-06-03#t1464985165654
#
GWG I need to see if I can get there
#
gRegorLove I could be convinced to do 8am if there's coffee and tacos :)
#
schmarty ^^^
#
aaronparecki.com edited /2017/Schedule (+832) "stub saturday schedule grid with room names" (view diff)
#
tantek can likely get coffee & tacos
#
aaronparecki.com edited /2017 (+28) "pdx venue!" (view diff)
KevinMarks joined the channel
#
schmarty hooray, a venue!
#
schmarty aaronpk++
#
Loqi aaronpk has 52 karma in this channel (1312 overall)
#
aaronpk tantek++ for that really!
#
Loqi tantek has 6 karma in this channel (339 overall)
dougbeal|imac joined the channel
#
myfreeweb yay my new micropub media endpoint https://github.com/myfreeweb/sweetroll/tree/master/sweetroll-mu works! :) https://unrelenting.technology/notes/2017-05-10-23-53-11
#
myfreeweb it runs on aws lambda, optimizes jpeg/png, extracts exif metadata, encodes jpeg/png to webp, stores all that to s3
#
myfreeweb i've extended the media endpoint spec a bit — in addition to the location header, the body is a json object with all the stuff. micro-panel puts that object into the photos/videos/whatever array, and my templates support these objects