#dev 2017-05-17

2017-05-17 UTC
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tantek.com edited /checkin (+84) "/* sessions */ IWC Düsseldorf" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2017/Düsseldorf/checkins (+91) "note video time, participants, typo" (view diff)
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Zegnat !tell KartikPrabhu looking at https://kartikprabhu.com/articles in my block-all browser set-up, I get square grey boxes. Enabling third-party resources from googleusercontent.com shows the images, even when I am still blocking scripts.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Grav (+18) "category:CMS" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /IndieAuth (+8) "/* Details */" (view diff)
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seblog.nl edited /Web_sign-in (+45) "reframing dfn (it's not a protocol)" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /indieauth.com (+2550) "/* FAQ */ move some indieauth.com specific FAQs from [[IndieAuth]]" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /IndieAuth () "(-2538) move some indieauth.com specific FAQs to [[indieauth.com]]" (view diff)
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seblog.nl edited /IndieAuth (+1024) "added a 'How it works' section to clarify IndieAuth vs IndieAuth.com" (view diff)
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seblog.nl edited /IndieAuth (+50) "/* How it works */ expanding" (view diff)
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jansauer.de edited /events/2017-05-17-homebrew-website-club (+11) "/* Nürnberg */" (view diff)
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calumryan.com edited /events/2017-05-17-homebrew-website-club (+16) "/* Nürnberg */" (view diff)
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julieannenoying.com uploaded /File:5D3_5190-2.jpg "Homebrew Website Club Nürnberg, Photo © Christian Lindner"
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julieannenoying.com edited /events/2017-05-17-homebrew-website-club (+123) "/* Photos */" (view diff)
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julieannenoying.com edited /events/2017-05-17-homebrew-website-club (+22) "/* Nürnberg */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Firefox_Share (+36) "fix dfn" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Firefox_Share (+245) "IndieWeb Share Providers" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Firefox_Share (+399) "subhead How to, add How to add a provider to the directory" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (-78) "next HWC, IWC" (view diff)
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calumryan.com edited /events/2017-05-17-homebrew-website-club (+4) "/* Nürnberg */ Add link to RSVP" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /posts (+121) "/* Kinds of Posts */ add a related page note in case anyone gets here by looking for post kinds" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Post_Kinds_Plugin (+118) "see the general concept" (view diff)
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tantek !tell gRegorLove check out recent changes on https://indieweb.org/events/2017-05-17-homebrew-website-club in general - I think we're pretty close to consensus on updating the subsequent HWC event pages accordingly, e.g. 2017-05-31
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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eli.li edited /User:Eli.li (+799) "Added more info about my indieweb setup" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /RelMeAuth (+4) "/* Implementations */" (view diff)
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gRegorLove tantek: Will do. Noticed schmarty already started using consolidated RSVP section on 2017-05-31
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Loqi gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 11 minutes ago: check out recent changes on https://indieweb.org/events/2017-05-17-homebrew-website-club in general - I think we're pretty close to consensus on updating the subsequent HWC event pages accordingly, e.g. 2017-05-31
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schmarty rides the bleeding edge
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gRegorLove tantek: Is there a specific change to look at, or just the page as a whole?
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seblog.nl edited /authorization-endpoint (+206) "added IndieWeb examples" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Hope I'm feeling better by tonight. Been fighting off a cold.
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gRegorLove Oh, Google I/O Keynote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2VF8tmLFHw
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gRegorLove Schedule: https://events.google.com/io/
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snarfed GWG pfefferle: just fyi the wordpress webmention + semantic linkback plugins (latest released versions) are 500ing a webmention for me
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snarfed source https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/schnarfed/864852973393805313/864855688404647936 , target https://snarfed.org/2017-05-17_24262
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Loqi [Dr. Beardface] Ha, I've also heard it called an irish exit
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snarfed upgraded to the plugins' current release versions recently, so this may be the first bridgy twitter reply wm, but they've handled similar like and tweet wms ok
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snarfed lmk if i can help debug. nothing notable in the logs.
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aaronparecki.com edited /authorization-endpoint (+16) "move other examples under indieweb examples" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu I am now looking into storing external files (from some url) in my file storage. Any thoughts/ideas on how to generate a filename from the URL so that it can be looked up using the said URL?
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: Zegnat left you a message 11 hours, 22 minutes ago: looking at https://kartikprabhu.com/articles in my block-all browser set-up, I get square grey boxes. Enabling third-party resources from googleusercontent.com shows the images, even when I am still blocking scripts.
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KartikPrabhu Zegnat: thanks! I am using google to store images for now.
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: p3k v1 used a mechanism of turning a URL into a filename that very closesly matched the URL. i ran into some problems and haven't solve them yet
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aaronpk turns out URLs don't map to the filesystem very well
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KartikPrabhu yeah, I realised that too :(
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Zegnat KartikPrabhu, a folder per hostname/domain you want to store from, and then a base64 of their path as filename? That will always be reversible. But you have to be OK with the long meaningless filenames while they are on your system
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aaronpk you can use a one-way hash as well, since yuo don't need the filename to be reversible
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gRegorLove KartikPrabhu: For my avatar caching I just use a hash of the URL
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aaronpk i do like a subfolder for each hostname though
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KartikPrabhu that loses the "inspectability" thing of a file-storage though
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aaronpk yeah :/
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aaronpk you can do a few tricks to get URLs to map to a filesystem, with things like changing trailing slashes to underscores
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aaronpk but i'm not totally sure it's worth it in the end
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KartikPrabhu looks into python's urllib which seems to have things for this
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aaronpk i haven't solved this for myself yet so i can't recommend anything in particular yet
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KartikPrabhu I wonder WWTD?
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gRegorLove I'm not sure what I'd want to inspect wrt an avatar image file other than the image?
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aaronpk it's more than just avatars tho, like the file that contains the h-entry of a comment
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: for external avatars this seems OK. I am doing this currently (temporarily) for my photos hosted on Google Photos
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aaronpk also for avatars i actually *don't* want the filename to be strictly based on the URL, since I want to keep versioned copies of avatars
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gRegorLove Ah yeah, makes sense for HTML/text
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aaronpk that's why i use a hash of the image itself as the filename
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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KartikPrabhu since Google Photos already has a gibberish URL I suppose I shouldn't worry so much
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KartikPrabhu like https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/x4fdiDx861LN36HlMIYgb2u58m0porD7w9qNKg4jLhmfTjx8-I5paWRc02fg8nqbyFq3Fe1Qo98cflbcw10hcfO3MLO3_pZrVGgtqpcj8M-Z1aSDDyubgKw3Q5xYaSXpRvZz4btlKr8JCvJx-Q-ihlotDk4SCKnzJpxSlqN9wr08zAPs1DM0ZhLu4_HPMSmdHbBI5ELBlRA2JGJHnUzT_7RI0_ZHBkg1VYqmzXliwUxrXtAfS8vc4G9ljc7fVN_c0mql5ZvWY4MuxFEf-_t7evrA5WACXDG1T_PUusoTCskGtyFrjGxw_aE9XrDOlBN3J7k4iYaiakB2ishfN1pQv6J8dDjarEIneOPqolAnOCa0x4-mVf78t1BiAOjohr2fzdijjC896SoEdOwZjF1c9sFx9Ef
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aaronpk that's a lot of characters o.O
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KartikPrabhu it probably is a hash of the image
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gRegorLove Really Really Really GUID
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KartikPrabhu what is GUID?
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Loqi GUID is an acronym for Globally Unique Identifier, typically a 128-bit number that used to uniquely reference or identify something https://indieweb.org/GUID
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Zegnat Possibly not for uniqueness-sake, but for unguessibility-sake
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KartikPrabhu yeah
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Zegnat unguessable URL << https://www.w3.org/TR/capability-urls/
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't sign in to the wiki
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Loqi [Jeni Tennison] Good Practices for Capability URLs
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aaronpk uhoh Loqi
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Zegnat What? aaronpk, Loqi has been logged out?
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cweiske hah.
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aaronpk oh i forgot to add back my hack
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cweiske mediawikipluginrename?
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cweiske that hack? if (username==loqi and ipaddr==1.2.3.4)
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aaronpk Loqi has a hack for logging in to the wiki with a password, since i haven't figured out a URL-based solution
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aaronpk unguessable URL << https://www.w3.org/TR/capability-urls/
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loqi.me edited /unguessable_URL (+58) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.w3.org/TR/capability-urls/" to the "See Also" section of /unguessable_URL
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Loqi [Jeni Tennison] Good Practices for Capability URLs
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aaronpk "fixed"
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Zegnat Loqi is back hackin’!
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aaronpk hm i bet the private webmention flow could be used for loqi to authenticate with the wiki
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aaronparecki.com edited /checkin (+235) "/* plain text design */ add foursquare example" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /checkin (+470) "/* Brainstorming */ checking in to events" (view diff)
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snarfed aaronpk: more on checking into events with ticketing: https://indieweb.org/rsvp#Capacity_and_Ticketing
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aaronpk ooh
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aaronpk wow that's some advanced stuff
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snarfed :P
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snarfed pure brainstorming, from IWC SF a while back
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aaronpk we barely have event RSVP working, it's hard to imagine using it to enforce capacity :P
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aaronpk but we'll get there!
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KartikPrabhu boo! base64 encoding the Google photos URL is too long to be used as a filename!
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aaronpk too long??
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KartikPrabhu yeah
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aaronpk wow
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KartikPrabhu or at least that is what python says
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cweiske DRM-by-long-filenames
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Zegnat Hmm, I seem to remember the filename limit on Windows being 256 characters/bytes? Do unix based systems have a limit too?
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KartikPrabhu will try generating a md5 hash next and see where that goes
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aaronpk that should work fine
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aaronpk it'll always be a fixed length
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KartikPrabhu yeah it did work
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KartikPrabhu I guess since this is not secure in anyway md5 should be good enough
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KartikPrabhu and I don't need it to be reversible
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aaronpk yep! it's okay to use fast (insecure) hashing algorithms for that
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Zegnat People don’t value fast hashing algos enough. Or fast pseudo-random algos for that matter. Sometimes you don’t need cryptographic security.
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myfreeweb fast hashes are explicitly non-cryptographic like xxhash, murmurhash, siphash. md5 is both slow and insecure :D
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myfreeweb blake2, the new most secure (tm) hash, is faster than md5 and sha1 https://blake2.net
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Zegnat myfreeweb, sure, but I don’t have murmurhash('string') in PHP ?
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myfreeweb yeah, md5 for non-security-critical things is mostly used because it's there, not because it's fast
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aaronpk yeah that
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myfreeweb might as well use sha1 though, it's also usually "there", and people will complain less :D
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+133) "/* Fort Collins, CO */ Add FB group." (view diff)
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Zegnat [shaners], are there any plaintext markdown_media test files? markdown file + expected HTML output?
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2017-05-17-homebrew-website-club (+19) "/* Bellingham WA */ note meeting upstairs" (view diff)
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