#dev 2017-05-23

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tantek what is jsonfeed
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Loqi jsonfeed is a feed file in JSON format https://indieweb.org/jsonfeed
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tantek what is JSON feed
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "JSON feed" yet. Would you like to create it?_
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tantek what is RSS in JSON
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "RSS in JSON" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek JSON feed is /jsonfeed
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /JSON_feed (+21) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek RSS in JSON is /jsonfeed
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /RSS_in_JSON (+21) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu RSS in JSON?!
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tantek what is Mavo
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Mavo" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek well when someone does an indieweb site with it, perhaps then
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[kevinmarks] I may well do that to apologise to Lea.
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gRegorLove Dave Winer apparently experimented with the JSON stuff in 2012: http://scripting.com/stories/2012/09/10/rssInJsonForReal.html
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: the first sentence in that ^ is exactly the reason for JSONfeed :P
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tantek alright, that's enough reason to make it its own article instead of just a redirect
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tantek more like a timeline
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tantek jsonfeed << [https://github.com/brentsimmons/JSONFeed/issues/49 Megathread JSONFeed issue 49: Thought experiment: using schema.org + JSON-LD instead] (unclear if based on real world use-case, or unintentional, but quite effective, trolling and attempt at reigniting RSS/Atom wars of yore)
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loqi.me edited /jsonfeed (+279) "tantek added "[https://github.com/brentsimmons/JSONFeed/issues/49 Megathread JSONFeed issue 49: Thought experiment: using schema.org + JSON-LD instead] (unclear if based on real world use-case, or unintentional, but quite effective, trolling and atte" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://github.com/brentsimmons/JSONFeed/issues/49 Megathread JSONFeed issue 49: Thought experiment: using schema.org + JSON-LD instead] (unclear if based on real world use-case, or unintentional, but quite effective, trolling and attempt at reigniting RSS/Atom wars of yore)" to the "See Also" section of /jsonfeed
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Loqi [darobin] #49 Thought experiment: using schema.org + JSON-LD instead
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gRegorLove Lol "First: don't shoot me"
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tantek seriously haven't seen a (want to believe) unintentional troll like that in a while
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tantek jsonfeed << [https://jsonfeed.org/2017/05/17/announcing_json_feed 2017-05-17 Announcing JSON Feed]
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://jsonfeed.org/2017/05/17/announcing_json_feed 2017-05-17 Announcing JSON Feed]" to the "See Also" section of /jsonfeed
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loqi.me edited /jsonfeed (+89) "tantek added "[https://jsonfeed.org/2017/05/17/announcing_json_feed 2017-05-17 Announcing JSON Feed]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu what is jsonfeed
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Loqi jsonfeed is a feed file in JSON format https://indieweb.org/jsonfeed
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tantek.com edited /RSS_in_JSON (+636) "3 different examples over 5 years, worth documenting" (view diff)
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tantek there you KartikPrabhu KevinMarks
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tantek if you find other examples / attempts at "RSS in JSON" - add them with year and citation!
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tantek what is RSS in JSON?
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Loqi RSS in JSON appears to be an occasional standards meme that pops up every few years with a new attempt at putting RSS into JSON, or defining a JSON feed file format to replace RSS https://indieweb.org/RSS_in_JSON
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tantek jsonfeed << [[RSS in JSON]]
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loqi.me edited /jsonfeed (+18) "tantek added "[[RSS in JSON]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "[[RSS in JSON]]" to the "See Also" section of /jsonfeed
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KartikPrabhu <sigh>
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gRegorLove Pretty sure KartikPrabhu wants to just ignore it :)
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KartikPrabhu lalalalalalalalala not listening lalalala
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loqi.me created /splaining (+207) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /splaining (+1) "actually" (view diff)
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miklb what is RSS
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Loqi RSS typically loosely refers to a set of XML feed file formats of varying degrees of use for syndicating typically time-stamped content from web sites https://indieweb.org/RSS
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tantek that's one too many typically
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tantek.com edited /RSS (+167) "remove typically, note formats meaning, feed files / feeds / syndication meaning" (view diff)
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tantek what is RSS
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Loqi RSS is a set of XML feed file formats of varying degrees of use for syndicating time-stamped content from web sites, and sometimes used to refer more broadly to feed file formats as a whole including Atom, or even more broadly in vernacular as a synonym for feed file or even feeds or syndication as a concept https://indieweb.org/RSS
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tantek miklb ^^^ does that resonate?
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miklb needs punctuation :-P
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tantek please add :)
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miklb does Loqi cut off at 1st period?
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tantek yes
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miklb ah, ok.
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tantek regardless, feel free to take a crack at simplifying / editing / shortening
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miklb I think that does it. I was just curious how it was defined in context to the RSS in JSON
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tantek perhaps the many meanings of RSS explain the many interpretations of RSS in JSON. whether direct format conversion, or "feed in JSON" which became JSON Feed
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miklb when I read the phrase "RSS in JSON" I'm hearing that JSON is a wrapper for the already existing RSS, however you define RSS. Not taking a stance one way or another.
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miklb I was fortunate enough to be around a lot of really smart people when Habari was being developed and learned a fair amount about "RSS" vs Atom so I have a clearer distinction than maybe general audience.
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miklb That's not saying I also do not want to hear discussions about a new/additional format to consume
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loqi.me created /shenanigans (+102) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /shenanigans (+32) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /bulshytt (+18) "tantek added "[[shenanigans]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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dougbeal aaronpk: maybe this should be in dev. does the webserver matter? should the php version matter? I was going to use mariadb:5.5 to mirror my host.
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dougbeal !tell aaronpk: For OwnYourGram, does the webserver matter? should the php version matter? I was going to use mariadb:5.5 to mirror my host.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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dougbeal !tell aaronpk: do OwnYourGram and Ownyourswarm have the same dependencies?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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dougbeal Where is aaronpk
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tantek probably asleep after returning from IWC Nürnberg
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aaronpk Just landed in PDX!
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Loqi aaronpk: dougbeal left you a message 59 minutes ago: For OwnYourGram, does the webserver matter? should the php version matter? I was going to use mariadb:5.5 to mirror my host.
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Loqi aaronpk: dougbeal left you a message 59 minutes ago: do OwnYourGram and Ownyourswarm have the same dependencies?
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aaronpk Web server doesn't matter, PHP version should be 5.5 or 5.6 I think, not sure the dependencies work on 7
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aaronpk i use MariaDB so that should be fine. Nothing fancy for the DB
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aaronpk oh and double check but i think OYS needs Redis and OYG does not
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aaronpk OYG Processes things on a cron job
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aaronpk OYS uses a queue
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cweiske KartikPrabhu, your "clouds" post didn't look very nice in my feed reader
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cweiske http://fotos.cweiske.de/screenshots/2017-05-23%20clouds%20feed%20entry.png
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cweiske no content, only the date as title
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KartikPrabhu cweiske: is that h-feed or atom?
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cweiske tt-rss does not support h-feed, so it would be atom
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KartikPrabhu yeah photos should definitely show up in Atom. unless your reader is not showing them for some reason
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KartikPrabhu because I got an update in my feed reader
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cweiske the cloud post does not have a title in atom
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cweiske but I see that <content> is there
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cweiske strange
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KartikPrabhu yup, none of my notes have a title. a title is geenrateed from the contents if any exist which in this case they dont
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KartikPrabhu Atom requires title doesn't it?
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cweiske but the html page has one
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cweiske clouds | ...
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KartikPrabhu cweiske: yeah from the "slug". you think I sould fall back to that while generaing Atom?
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cweiske if there is no title, yes
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cweiske that'd help
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KartikPrabhu ok cool! wiil change hfeed2atom to do that. thanks
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KartikPrabhu I always like the feedback on this channel :) I thought no one read my feed :P
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cweiske RFC4287: "atom:entry elements MUST contain exactly one atom:title element."
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KartikPrabhu :(
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cweiske your feed was valid because it had a title element for the entry, it just was empty :)
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KartikPrabhu I am sure I have that somewhere in the comments but did not expect to post a note without text contets
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loqi.me created /Virtual_HWC (+179) "prompted by Zegnat and dfn added by Zegnat" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (-12) "/* The Netherlands */ Seb replaces Martijn as main organizer" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+323) "/* Getting Started or Need Restarting */ Trying to get a virtual HWC going on “European time”" (view diff)
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cweiske what is json feed?
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Loqi jsonfeed is a feed file in JSON format https://indieweb.org/JSON_feed
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@ichmagdenlink @jgmac1106 @pfefferle @dshanske webmentions should work without theme support... If you want to have more semantic… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/866998107267104772 (twitter.com/_/status/866998107267104772)
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@ichmagdenlink @jgmac1106 @pfefferle @dshanske If you have general problems with webmentions, try to browse http://your.domain/wp-… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/866998608327053312 (twitter.com/_/status/866998608327053312)
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@pfefferle @jgmac1106 @dshanske If you have general problems with webmentions, try to browse http://your.domain/wp-json/webmen… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/867001600937742336 (twitter.com/_/status/867001600937742336)
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@pfefferle @jgmac1106 @dshanske webmentions should work without theme support... If you want to have more semantic mentions yo… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/867001658793971712 (twitter.com/_/status/867001658793971712)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /events/2017-05-31-homebrew-website-club (+258) "/* Where */ Add virtual category for European time HWC." (view diff)
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calumryan.com edited /Planning (+126) "/* Brighton */ Date proposals" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Planning (+68) "/* Potential Cities */ Malmö, update my status" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme what is jsonfeed
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Loqi jsonfeed is a feed file in JSON format https://indieweb.org/jsonfeed
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jeena.net edited /events/2017-05-31-homebrew-website-club (+87) "/* Virtual: European time */ ads link to indiewebevent" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /events/2017-05-31-homebrew-website-club (+134) "/* Virtual */ More info for European time" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de created /User:Www.svenknebel.de/testspace (+4) "Created page with "test"" (view diff)
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petermolnar wheee, I got my search back, now including the results from all what I could pull from the bookmarks in the index
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sknebel do we have an mf2 parser online somewhere that allows CORS-requests?
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aaronpk hm i think i added those headers to pin13
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ben_thatmustbeme *sigh*
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ben_thatmustbeme woops, wrong room
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aaronparecki.com edited /Micropub (+1) "micropub is a Recommendation!" (view diff)
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voxpelli aaronpk: nice, did that happen today?
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sknebel no, pin13 doesn't have cors headers
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voxpelli aaronpk: the recommendation status that is
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aaronpk yes! this morning Pacific time
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sknebel wohoo!
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Zegnat Congrats aaronpk!
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voxpelli Big congratulations!
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voxpelli Any blog post planned? So one can wait and tweet something substantial around the news :)
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aaronpk yeah i will do that this morning
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ben_thatmustbeme websub.rocks test suite is done, if people could start running tests for your publishing, subscribing, or hubs
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[jeremycherfas] Zegnat Yes, that is a var dump from Grav
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adactio.com edited /jsonfeed (+266) "Add adactio.com to usage in the wild" (view diff)
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[jeremycherfas] I’m trying to solve the issue that cweiske told me about http://indieweb.org/irc/2017-05-23/line/1495545716546
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[jeremycherfas] And I raised it with the plugin author, but no reply yet.
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Zegnat I don’t recognise hash or plus in a var_dump, don’t think my var_dump does that
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[jeremycherfas] I thought, if I work out whether a particular page is either the RSS feed or the Atom feed, then I can maybe get the plugin not to inject the rel=“webmention” on that page. No luck so far.
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Zegnat I expect # and + to denote wether the property is private/protected/public
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[jeremycherfas] OK. Well, thanks anyway. There are other ways to get at the content of the page url. I’ll try them. Tomorrow. ?
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dougbeal|mb1 What is websub.rocks
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "websub.rocks" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat What version of PHP, [jeremycherfas]?
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[jeremycherfas] BTW, I had to switch to Slack to join Dev. How do I do that in IRC? I tried #dev and I went somewhere very odd.
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Zegnat you can do /join #indieweb-dev
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[jeremycherfas] Ah. So I got the name wrong. Thanks.
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aaronpk websub.rocks is a test suite for the WebSub protocol
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loqi.me created /websub.rocks (+80) "prompted by dougbeal|mb1 and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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Zegnat We just talk in short hand. Which is something we should stop doing
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[jeremycherfas] No, it is efficient.
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aaronparecki.com edited /websub.rocks (+27) "linky" (view diff)
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jeremycherfas It’s just that I need to learn the shorthand.
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jeremycherfas And I don’t seem to have as much free time as some of you. :)
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Zegnat Not really, jeremycherfas. Its all about making the chat accessible.
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sknebel (TIL: quassel has tab-complete for channel names)
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jeremycherfas Zegnat: Found it! There’s a variable available that is simply page.route that I can test.
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Zegnat I’d have to look into Grav to be of any help, I apologise
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jeremycherfas No problem. I’m on it now. Sometimes, just asking the question helps you (me) to think of the answer
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Zegnat Definitely, I often need someone to talk to about ideas just to solidify my own ideas
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aaronpk anyone want to take a stab at writing up a "how to" for using websub with a static site?
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www.svenknebel.de edited /tools (+86) "add websub.rocks" (view diff)
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strugee.net edited /Pubsubhubbub (+0) "Fix double-redirect issue" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /jsonfeed (+451) "micro.blog, Known, and News Explorer usage" (view diff)
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strugee.net edited /WebSub (+42) "Update spec URLs" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /jsonfeed (+113) "/* Reader Support */ add Feedbin" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /WebSub (+21) "/* Discussion */ update to w3.org URL for spec, link to github repo in description" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /WebSub (+228) "/* Consuming Implementations */ tt-rss no long implements websub" (view diff)
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voxpelli Wow, WebSub is "a a niche of a niche of a niche of a thing nobody cares about" – would never have thought someone would find WebSub to be such controversial as that tt-rss person
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voxpelli To me it's the least controversial piece of tech in the entire IndieWeb stack :/ I mean – it's even the official way to submit new pages in realtime to Google
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voxpelli Is Google a niche?
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aaronpk srsly. that's surprising coming from someone who is building a feed reader
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aaronpk maybe feed readers are the first "niche" he's referring to ;-)
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gregorlove.com edited /Tiny_Tiny_RSS (+239) "update dfn, add features section, note no WebSub (for now)" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Is there a web version of the Ruby mf2 parser, a la pin13 / unmung?
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schmarty https://microformats-ruby-parser.herokuapp.com
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gregorlove.com edited /tools (+76) "/* Microformats Parsers */ +Ruby" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /Tiny_Tiny_RSS (+63) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Tiny_Tiny_RSS (-52) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ sparklines" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /feed_reader (-15) "/* Examples */ wiki link tt-rss" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /tools (+76) "/* Microformats Parsers */ +Go, not URL entry available on unmung too" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /User:Www.svenknebel.de/testspace (+8) (view diff)
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sknebel aaronpk: so if I steal the session cookie from my browser I can use the mediawiki api (since it sounded like you weren't sure if that's possible)
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aaronpk oh that does work? i wasn't sure the session cookie was the same thing the API used
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sknebel yes. I still need to ask for edit tokens (presumably thats a CSRF protection), but I can do that using the cookies
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sknebel (fun fact: the replacement for the (deprecated) token api endpoint as our wiki uses has already been deprecated again :P)
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aaronpk lol
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www.svenknebel.de edited /User:Www.svenknebel.de/testspace (+2) "does this work?" (view diff)
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aaronpk totally pointless new feature: dig txt +short where.is.aaron.pk
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gRegorLove Haha
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Loqi nice
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aaronpk of course it updates automatically
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cweiske I use DNS TXT to tell the last dyndns update
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cweiske dig TXT +short home.cweiske.de
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cweiske "Last update 2017-05-23 02.15.02+02.00."
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aaronpk ha nice
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cweiske tinydns makes changing DNS entries on the fly really easy
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aaronpk the Linode API isn't bad for that either
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aaronpk strangely my home IP hasn't changed in months, so i haven't actually set up dyndns for it yet
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aaronpk i should probably do that soon cause of course the next time it changes i'm going to be traveling
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Loqi yea
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cweiske my home server ssh's into my main server as a special user, which automatically starts a script that uses the remote user's IP as new DNS target
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cweiske what is ssh-dyndns?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ssh-dyndns" yet. Would you like to create it?
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cweiske ssh-dyndns is https://github.com/cweiske/ssh-dyndns/
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Loqi ok
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vanderven.se martijn edited /jsonfeed (+137) "/* Reader Support */ Add NewsBlur" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /non-interactive_IndieAuth (+2428) "simple flow idea" (view diff)
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sknebel aaronpk I'd love thoughts on this ^^^
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aaronpk Ooh I will look
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aaronpk did you read the dialback spec? I think we can do something similar minus the well-known stuff
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www.svenknebel.de edited /non-interactive_IndieAuth (+168) "/* proposal: simple flow */ further extension path" (view diff)
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sknebel I skimmed a bit but didn't get the point, but I probably should read it again now that I've thought about the entire thing more
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aaronpk We also have to make sure to distinguish between authentication and authorization, to make sure we don't create a way for someone to automatically log a bot in unintentionally
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sknebel aaronpk: yes, that's something my mental model still kind of struggles with, but I think this works with both as they are in indieauth
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sknebel the simplification is that the bot "owns" the identity, it doesn't support (without specifying the step "how does it talk to the auth endpoint") a bot that can only act as a user in limited capacity
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sknebel (and using it for private webmentions isn't straightforward either, since there is no clear answer to "which identity is a private webmention adressed to", so this needs thinking as well)
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colinwalker.blog edited /jsonfeed (+153) (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Private-Webmention (+242) "/* Issues */ timing, loss in high-load situations" (view diff)
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