#dev 2017-05-31

2017-05-31 UTC
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eli_oat is anyone familiar with the micropub plugin for tt-rss?
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eli_oat I'm trying to set it up and not certian what it is looking for on the settings screen when it asks for "Add new identity"
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eli_oat I assumed that was my url, but no dice. it comes up with an error message no matter what I enter, so far "No links found"
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[kevinmarks] Is it trying to use rel-me auth?
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eli_oat I'm not certain. I'll do some poking. It isn't really documented, as far as I can tell. I'm about to start poking at the source to see if I can figure out what it is looking for.
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miklb should be url, https://example.com
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gRegorLove The author cweiske is a regular here, but he's in Berlin timezone
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miklb eli_oat there's a public github for issues https://github.com/cweiske/tt-rss-micropub
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Loqi [cweiske] tt-rss-micropub: Micropub plugin for TinyTinyRSS reader
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eli_oat oplah! Good call miklb, thanks!
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gRegorLove I think it's the micropub endpoint URL if I'm understanding the code correctly
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eli_oat I've tried that, but no dice. ?
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eli_oat It may be an issue with my endpoint, though
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gRegorLove Actually, nope, don' tthink it's that. There's endpoint discvoery in there.
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miklb I was able authorize with my url, but I set it up a few days ago.
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eli_oat I'm wondering if the form validation is grumpy that my url ends in .li
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gRegorLove Shouldn't be
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eli_oat oh, @miklb, is your install of tt-rss at a subdomain, by any chance? Or is it in a "folder" example.com/tt-rss ?
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schmarty just installed it and was able to sign in with my site (https://martymcgui.re)
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Loqi Marty McGuire
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miklb was going to say, make sure you use http(s):// not just example.com
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eli_oat yeah, I've been using https://eli.li
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Loqi eli hi@eli.li (╯°-°)╯︵ ┻...
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eli_oat (I should propbably remove that donger from my h-card)
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gRegorLove eli_oat: Regarding usernames and domains, check out /irc-people on the wiki (and add yourself if you like)
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eli_oat ? will do!
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gRegorLove I didn't remember mblaney's URL offhand so found it there :)
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gRegorLove Oh, you're already there. nevermind. :)
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eli_oat I am? Weird...
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gRegorLove Unless it's your doppleganger
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eli_oat neigh, 'tis I
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eli_oat must have been from when I last dipped my toes into the indieweb
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eli_oat I'm committing this time, ?
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eli_oat last time I was much too shy
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gRegorLove Hah
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gRegorLove Well you've been making really fast progress! I only just recently got micropub barely functional and I've been around here a couple years
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gRegorLove Mostly because I have a CMS with posting interface, I guess.
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eli_oat Yeah, i think I had a leg up in that I a) had a heap of help, b) built my system from the ground up with the whole focus being on supporting micropub and indieweb
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eli_oat essentially treating the bits like microservices
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schmarty hmm. i'm a bit lost/confused with the tt-rrss-micropub plugin, as well. i have it configured with my site as an identity, but i don't see any micropub interface when reading through feeds...
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miklb schmarty it was difficult to find 1st time around, still confused going back to it
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eli_oat @schmarty and @miklb, what versions of tt-rss are you running, if you don't mind my asking?
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miklb I checked out master a few days ago, not sure of version
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eli_oat ah...I'm wondering if that is my problem.
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eli_oat I'm running an ancient version of tt-rss
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eli_oat I've been terrified to update it since it is like the center of my entire online universe.
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miklb do a backup of the db and go for it?
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eli_oat I'm knee deep in it now ?
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eli_oat ?
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miklb ah, found the widescreen mode and am able to click a title and get the reply/bookmark/like buttons
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miklb but bookmark doesn't seem to work
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miklb I like the idea of micropub in a reader, but I can't get over the aesthetic of tt-rss. The dev notwithstanding.
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eli_oat There are some nice themes for it
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miklb oh?
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eli_oat I use the feedly theme or the static JS interface
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eli_oat plugins don't work there, but it is fast, which is nice
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eli_oat My theme of choice: https://github.com/levito/tt-rss-feedly-theme
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Loqi [levito] tt-rss-feedly-theme: Feedly theme for Tiny Tiny RSS 1.8+
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eli_oat (trying to hunt down the static JS interface, too)
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eli_oat hmm, no luck finding that on github, sorry. If you have the fever plugin installed, you can also use various 3rd party feed readers (like Reeder for mac and iOS)
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miklb oh. I will look for that
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eli_oat Reeder on iOS is a great app, too. I generally shy away from anything that isn't in the browser or on the command line (ironic for someone who works for an app dev.), but love reeder 3 on iOS
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eli_oat is ?
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miklb I mostly do my feed consumption on my laptop. I've been a Reeder user for a long time, but testing out news explorer lately
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gRegorLove Hmm, I didn't get a webmention from your site for this eli_oat https://eli.li/entry.php?id=20170531011223 (but did via Twitter and Bridgy backfeed)
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Loqi [eli] @gregorlove.com Thanks so much! I'll see about editing that post...rolls up sleeves in order to add editing support to micropub endpoint
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eli_oat I'm not sure if my site is ever able to automatically send webmentions to folks. It may just be reciving them. When possible, i manually send webmentions
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eli_oat I'm also wondering if my microformats are wrong.
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eli_oat I'm looking at your site, and noticing an h-cite tag
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eli_oat I don't use those, http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Feli.li%2Fentry.php%3Fid%3D20170531011223
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eli_oat ...I also disabled jquery, which may have impacted stuff.
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gRegorLove h-cite isn't required
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eli_oat oplah, not the jquery thing. That is still there actually (I meant to remove it earlier)
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eli_oat I'll go back over the code, and read up more on webmentions. I'll admit I'm still not totes confident I actually understand all the steps of sending/recieving a webmention
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gRegorLove I mean, it's common, recommended (you are technically citing an external source), but as far as wm sending / receiving, it's not a requirement)
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gRegorLove Cool cool
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gRegorLove There's services like Telegraph you can use, too
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gRegorLove What is telegraph?
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Loqi Telegraph is an open source API and service for sending webmentions, part of the p3k suite https://indieweb.org/Telegraph
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eli_oat I just manually sent one to test using webmention.io, I'll check out telegraph right now
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jjuran what is irc-people
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/IRC_People
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Zegnat !tell aaronpk Why does webmention.io change the HTML content value of a mention? It added an xml:lang property that doesn’t exist in the original, and also lowercased the contents of the lang attribute (from nl-NL to nl-nl) https://webmention.io/indiewebcamp/webmention/qcdYT9Gw0t91GewcOvvb
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@theoploumis #Micropub is an open #API standard that is used to create #posts on own domain using 3rd party clients. By @W3C https://micropub.net/ ? (twitter.com/_/status/869832642216304640)
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petermolnar I made this as a test: https://petermolnar.net/tagmyloc?lat=[latitude]&lon=[longitude]&rad=[radius in km, accepts float] to get the top 10 tags for a location from geotagged images; currently it only returns results from flickr, but if I manage to find other, similar APIs, I'll add it
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petermolnar this is more of a curiosity thing than something actually useful so far
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petermolnar not like that :)
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eli_oat Hey @cweiske, saw your response to the GH issue
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petermolnar I'm guessing Loqi visited the exact URL I pasted
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cweiske hi eli_oat
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Zegnat petermolnar, you could also get tag suggestions for link/bookmark posts from Pinboard, if that’s another thing you want to work on besides photos
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petermolnar that's also a decent idea
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petermolnar but I've never worked with pinboard
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petermolnar what is pinboard?
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Loqi Pinboard is a silo for hosting bookmarks https://indieweb.org/Pinboard
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Zegnat I made some demo code for that back in Düsseldorf last year, after a discussion with adactio and a few others on tagging
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Zegnat This was the thing I used: https://pinboard.in/api/#posts_suggest
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petermolnar imagine if the porn/advertisement industry never hijacked the <meta> tags field and we could still use it...
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Zegnat imagine if the SEO industry was more interested in making content accessible than using whatever data robots would like to see...
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aaronpk Good morning
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Loqi aaronpk: Zegnat left you a message 5 hours, 53 minutes ago: Why does webmention.io change the HTML content value of a mention? It added an xml:lang property that doesn’t exist in the original, and also lowercased the contents of the lang attribute (from nl-NL to nl-nl) https://webmention.io/indiewebcamp/webmention/qcdYT9Gw0t91GewcOvvb
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Loqi *yawn*
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aaronpk Zegnat: it sanitizes the HTML restricted to a very small whitelist of HTML tags and allows only mf2 classes, that way consumers can display the HTML directly without sanitizing it themselves
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aaronpk it uses the main PHP sanitization library to do so, and it's actually XRay that does that. If you think it's doing something wrong feel free to open an issue on XRay and I'll look into it
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Zegnat Adding xml:lang isn’t really wrong, just unexpected in HTML context. Changing the case on the language tag may invalidate the value, not sure, so that could be a bug. Will look into it and file on XRay if it is against spec
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aaronpk I'm kind of curious about adding xml:lang, not sure why that's happening and I should probably find a way to prevent that if possible
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aaronpk need an h-event to ical converter
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sebsel haha +1
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Loqi sebsel: lol
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aaronpk i ended up writing an .ics renderer for my own events page, but it would be nice if it was a generic external thing
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sknebel Heh, Zegnat and I were just talking about that yesterday
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sknebel Esp because the one linked to /events is broken
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sknebel ... And that's how the mf2-dt-issue-chain started
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Zegnat Right. That’s how that started :D
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tantek aaronpk - h2vx source is on github!
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aaronpk i really don't want to do more xslt
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tantek true, however converting to ics so non-trivial
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tantek especially if you want compat with all the ics "browsers"
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tantek which are all finicky in their own weird ways
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aaronpk i managed to find a reasonable subset for my own events
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tantek WAY worse than writing HTML in the 90s
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/events.ics
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tantek this is what happens when you lack an open test suite
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tantek (yes there is no open test suite for ICS)
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tantek (welcome to IETF)
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bear the ics python library we wrote at OSAF back when CalDAV and ICS were all the new hotness is good and has tests: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/vobject
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[kevinmarks] I think instagram removed query by geopoint from the API
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[kevinmarks] Foursquare has a useful one though
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Loqi sknebel: ask sgreger about POSSE UI
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Loqi Countdown set by sknebel on 2017-05-30 at 6:29pm CEST
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[eddie] aaronpk: Does webmention.io accept any arbitrary webmention.io/username/webmention with any domain? Or do you have to “sign in with your domain” first?
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aaronpk You have to sign in first
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[eddie] :thumbsup: Seems like a good safety measure. Thinking through a different but somewhat similar concept, so I was curious what you did.
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tantek bear++ for linking to public tests
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miklb [eddie] how goes your share sheet?
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[eddie] miklb: Thanks for checking in. Finishing up some server issues that are preventing testing of it
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miklb understood.
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[eddie] One thing I’m debating right now is I have it only using one Micropub account, but I can imagine some people have multiple micropub endpoints. Trying to figure if I should finish up the standard functionality and then go back and add multiple micropub accounts or add it in foundationally
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[eddie] Does anyone have any actual use cases for multiple micropub accounts currently?
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KartikPrabhu [eddie]: aby micropub accounts you mean mulitple endpoints on the same site?
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[eddie] Nope, I mean multiple micropub sites
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KartikPrabhu as in micropub clients like Quill etc...?
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[cleverdevil] eddie sounds like a pretty uncommon use case that could be added later, IMO.
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[eddie] Like aaronpk having aaronparecki.com and indiewebcat.com
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miklb oh, authorize more than one endpoint
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[eddie] I know some people have multiple websites in these circles but I don’t know if they are generally both micropub enabled
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[eddie] or if it’s like one non-micropub website and one micropub website
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KartikPrabhu oh those are simply different sites, I don't see why that needs any change in a micropub implementation
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[eddie] Well this is a native app, so if you don’t want to log in and log out everytime you want to post to a different app
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[eddie] then you would need to authorize more than one micropub endpoint in the app
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KartikPrabhu oh I see
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[eddie] Then when “sharing” select which account you want to share to
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miklb selfishly suggests getting one endpoint working so can begin testing ;-)
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[cleverdevil] ^^^
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[cleverdevil] ?
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[eddie] It’s good I ask then ?
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KartikPrabhu yeah getting one endpoint done seems better, the others could then be added on
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[eddie] Great, I won’t waste time on that, and I’ll put that under 2.0
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[eddie] That moves things along nicely ?
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